Gender idealism?

[InArduisFouette]

"In fighting for the interests of the working class as a whole, LGBTs will obviously also benefit. LGBTs would be much better off if everyone had a job."

- Also from The Communists (April 20th, 2019)

Socialism acknowledges the concern for LGBT people, especially transgender people. By emancipating the proletariat, LGBT people will also be more free in a socialist state. The problem is not the people. The problem is the ideology of purist, postmodernist, reactionary idealism which is harming the working class, the LGBT too, and socialism itself. Socialism cannot unconditionally agree or work.

We certainly will fight for human rights for they are indeed part of the class struggle, but any idealist spokesman within the bourgeois hierarchy, a "representative" if you will of said minority group, can they really be trusted more than an actual person of the minority? I myself would trust more of my own fellow Yugoslav over the issue of Yugoslavia rather than an American or Russian who aren't really into the Yugoslav history and the Yugoslav Wars and their tragedy caused by said idpol of separatism of the Serbs and Croats.

If Balkanizing the society based on gender is the "new thing", then I won't be surprised to see another Yugoslavia fall down on a large scale. I feel sorry that these people have to undergo something that my family went through in the 1990s.

your lack of respect for LGBTQ+ people is very clear

your misogyny, homophibia and transphobia has been amply demonstrated as is your utter lack of respect for Bodily Autonomy

 

[Yugoslav]

Reported , once again, for your transphobia and misogyny

I don't know how I keep dodging bullets.

Again, medical transition is not misogyny and transphobia. You're getting it all wrong with this reactionary language.

 

[InArduisFouette]

No because it was an ethnicity issue, not a gender issue since transgender people were not really known to Yugoslavs in the 1990s (because everyone was pretty much fighting a bloody war initiated by Serbian and Croatian elites (later on the other rich elites and imperialist involvement from USA on non-Serb side and a bit of Russia on the Serbia side).

time and trme again , as well as misgendering the person you state is your friend , you deny trans peoplr bodily autonomy and want to force them to have genital surgery ...

you are behaving like a wank-addled pornsick chaser

 

[Yugoslav]

your lack of respect for LGBTQ+ people is very clear

your misogyny, homophibia and transphobia has been amply demonstrated as is your utter lack of respect for Bodily Autonomy

Dear Tito, what has the West become? Why did you have to IMF Yugoslavia to death?

 

[InArduisFouette]

I don't know how I keep dodging bullets.

Again, medical transition is not misogyny and transphobia. You're getting it all wrong with this reactionary language.

You are a misogynist and a transphobe

your requirement that Gender affriming surgery be rerquired for trans people for them to be recognised is violence

 

[Yugoslav]

You are a misogynist anda transphobe

your requirement that Gender affriming surgery be rerquired for trans people for them to be recognised is violence

Ok this officially lost quality in terms of argument. Provide me a very clear reason without trying to assert that medical transition is some "mass extermination" mechanism which it never was for it simply helps emancipate trans people from their body struggle.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Ok this officially lost quality in terms of argument. Provide me a very clear reason without trying to assert that medical transition is some "mass extermination" mechanism which it never was for it simply helps emancipate trans people from their body struggle.

you are talking treansphobic shite

you are denying people bodily autonomy

you are a wank-addled pornsick chaser

 

[Yugoslav]

you are talking treansphobic shite

you are denying people bodily autonomy

you are a wank-addled pornsick chaser

Can't argue with this. It's just unworthy because it repeats the same thing.

I'll reply to you when you come up with an actual wording.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Can't argue with this. It's just unworthy because it repeats the same thing.

I'll reply to you when you come up with an actual wording.

Reported , once again for your misogyny and transphobia

 

[Yugoslav]

Reported , once again for your misogyny and transphobia

I didn't even say a thing about that other than criticize you for your lack of creativity in arguing and just going on to parrot copypasta onto me.

 

[InArduisFouette]

I didn't even say a thing about that other than criticize you for your lack of creativity in arguing and just going on to parrot copypasta onto me.

your entire thread is misogynstic and transphobic, you have repeatedly been told this by numerous people , instread of usning the orifices in your thick skull in the correct proportions , you have doubled down on your misogyny and transphobia and continue to promote a view that trans people;s validity is dependant solely on them getting sterilising Genital surgery

the eugenicist here is you

 

[Yugoslav]

your entire thread is misogynstic and transphobic, you have repeatedly been told this by numerous people , instread of usning the orifices in your thick skull in the correct proportions , you have doubled down on your misogyny and transphobia and continue to promote a view that trans people;s validity is dependant solely on them getting sterilising Genital surgery

the eugenicist here is you

Now you doubled down more with the "transmed accusation". So now we're denying trans people affirming care because it is "eugenics" and therefore, "evil"?

How are you buying into this idealism?! All I know is that these "numerous people" were spewing Fabianite revisionism against me.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Now you doubled down more with the "transmed accusation". So now we're denying trans people affirming care because it is "eugenics" and therefore, "evil"?

How are you buying into this idealism?! All I know is that these "numerous people" were spewing Fabianite revisionism against me.

you are , frankly. delusional

GET

SOME

HELP

 

[Yugoslav]

you are , frankly. delusional

GET

SOME

HELP

I'll use that part for you since you really have lost yourself and need some vocabulary training before you can get back at me.

 

[existentialist]

I'll use that part for you since you really have lost yourself and need some vocabulary training before you can get back at me.

Yours could do with broadening. Try not mouthing platitudinous political drivel with every breath you take.

 

[InArduisFouette]

I'll use that part for you since you really have lost yourself and need some vocabulary training before you can get back at me.

your vocabularly is remarkably lacking

you keep being told the same things by people becasue you refuse to accept Objective Material Reality

 

[Yugoslav]

your vocabularly is remarkably lacking

you keep being told the same things by people becasue you refuse to accept Objective Material Reality

Of which I accept, had you realized that materialism defines the matter as independent of human ideas. And no, dialectical materialism does not say that you can freely be an idealist just because it addresses the importance of contradiction between idealism and materialism for idealism without materialism is impossible! Therefore, it is impossible for someone to suddenly say they're trans without a material condition within their brain which is "gender dysphoria".

 

[Yugoslav]

Yours could do with broadening. Try not mouthing platitudinous political drivel with every breath you take.

Socialism is supposed to be scientific. Ya gotta realize that scientific socialism is a real deal term within the ML circle.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Of which I accept, had you realized that materialism defines the matter as independent of human ideas. And no, dialectical materialism does not say that you can freely be an idealist just because it addresses the importance of contradiction between idealism and materialism for idealism without materialism is impossible! Therefore, it is impossible for someone to suddenly say they're trans without a material condition within their brain which is "gender dysphoria".

Gender Dysphoria is a sympton not a Condition

Once again you are being transphobic

 

[existentialist]

Socialism is supposed to be scientific. Ya gotta realize that scientific socialism is a real deal term within the ML circle.

You better keep telling us that, because it's not bloody obvious.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Well at least we are a little clearer on the answer to the question

"Why did so many communist states fall into miserable tyrannies?"

Answer - Cos people like this cunt were in charge.

 

[PTK]

If someone is a man because "they say they're a man", then they only have changed their label, not themselves. Do you think that gender change presents an instantaneous dramatic shift? Nope! That's purist idealism!

You seem to think that taking hormones and surgery changes gender. Gender is not rooted in biology; it is rooted in social practices.

 

[krtek a houby]

It isn't about repeating it.

It's the objective truth. You learn this from basic biology. You can even look up the basic anatomy between man and woman.

How is this quantum physics to you even?! Oh I know. The bourgeoisie aims to make it unscrupulously harder to understand basic things all in the name of "political correctness".

Ah, we've reached the "political correctness" moment.

Won't be long now.

 

[krtek a houby]

Well at least we are a little clearer on the answer to the question

"Why did so many communist states fall into miserable tyrannies?"

Answer - Cos people like this cunt were in charge.

Still not convinced that they're genuine.

They are a complete c-word, though.

 

[Yugoslav]

You seem to think that taking hormones and surgery changes gender. Gender is not rooted in biology; it is rooted in social practices.

The label of gender yes. The physical sex no. Abolish gender label, preserve physical sex. If there is a difference that must be addressed then we know what to abolish and what to keep.

 

[Yugoslav]

Ah, we've reached the "political correctness" moment.

Won't be long now.

It is. Apparently, medical transition is politically incorrect despite the fact that it actually drives human progress for transgender people who haven't transitioned fully.

 

[krtek a houby]

It is. Apparently, medical transition is politically incorrect despite the fact that it actually drives human progress for transgender people who haven't transitioned fully.

And how about those transgender people who don't want to have surgery?

 

[Epona]

I don't know why people are still conversing with this moron

 

[krtek a houby]

I don't know why people are still conversing with this moron

Not many people about this time of day (it's afternoon for me).

Also, its occasionally satisfying to challenge bigots and dwyer types.

(Obviously, he's getting a kick out of it, I do realise that ...)

 

[Yugoslav]

And how about those transgender people who don't want to have surgery?

Again with the "whataboutism" of trans people who don't want to have surgery.

The people who do not feel the need for a medical transition are femboys and tomboys. If they just feel comfy with opposite gender clothing and behavior but not medical transition, then that's fine.

Femboy -> man who aspires to look as feminine as possible without medical transition

Tomboy -> woman who aspires to look as masculine as possible without medical transition

Unfortunately, this population is decreasing due to the misuse and the misunderstanding of what being trans is about. To hopefully avoid labeling tomboys and femboys as "trans" just because they're gender non-conforming, the consensus is that being transgender has a material meaning. You have serious gender dysphoria that makes you think you are in the wrong body and thereby, you seek to be emancipated with medical transition.