It is finally working for me after a few silly adverts. However I think it is just a pre-recorded film that lasts for 38 seconds.
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Gaza under attack yet again.
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Yes hitting the one and only power station has to be the worst thing they have done. I can't believe the world is happy not to react to this. Not only have they no electricity, they are almost without water. How can people survive in such conditions?There is not gonna be much more electricity, I hope these zionist fucks don't cut off gaza from the worldi want to cry. The comments from the woman doing the live stream were fucking heartbreaking
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
Hmm, not for me. It's a 37 minute stream from earlier - either earlier tonight or from last night, can't tell. It still says 'off air' in the bottom right corner.
Edit: Yes, the one that auto-plays for me is the one listed as being from 5 hours ago (click on 'videos' instead of 'social stream' on the right to get a list of old recordings).
Yes you are right VP I should have said minutes rather than seconds. It is obviously off air now.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Those could be anyone's artillery flares, shattered windows and battle-hardened six year old girls.
Israel has done virtually nothing for the US. And Mid-East instability isn't in the interest of most of the US economy (except for the oil cos that benefit from higher crude prices). Agricola put it well a few posts back....
From where I sit it sure seems that Israel is a ball & chain around America's leg & it's way past time for Israel to be told 'cut the crap, negotiate seriously & let the Palestinians have a country, or say sayonara to the billions & the weapons'.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
A fascinating read. I recommend it highly. Thanks Pickman's model
It has. I saw a similar thing when the US went mad & invaded Iraq. An insanity sets in.
Combustible
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You still haven't explained why it is particularly in the interest of the US state to force Israel to allow a Palestinian state. Are you saying that every murderous regime which the US supports, is only supported because of the influence of a foreign lobby or does it only apply to Israel?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I'm talking just about Israel. A Palestinian state would be in the best interest of the US & Israel because it would most likely end the fighting.
Combustible
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Why do you think the US government has a particular interest in ending the fighting? What about all the other instances where the US has instigated,perpetuated and supported violence around the world.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
If Israel is such a "ball and chain around America's leg" why do you think that the American govt's support for Israel is so resolute? This idea that Israel is a problem for the USA seems obviously wrong to me.
I'm talking about Israel/Palestine, not the world.
Geri
wasn't born to follow
Good news for Tesco shoppers who want to avoid Israeli products from the West Bank
http://www.redressonline.com/2014/0...co-boycotts-products-from-occupied-west-bank/
http://www.redressonline.com/2014/0...co-boycotts-products-from-occupied-west-bank/
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
That isn't what the us wants. It is not in their national interest, they are fully intent on keeping the Middle East divided and at war. That's why they support the apartheid state utterly and intransigently. the 'Jewish lobby' argument is nonsensical, unless it is made in a straightforwardly racist way. How could such a small number of people determine the policy of the worlds main superpower?
Combustible
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Yes but you seem to be saying that in the absence of an Israeli/Jewish lobby, the US policy would be for peace in the region. Given all the other instances where that has not been US policy and they have in fact inflicted and supported violence, why do you think it would be different in the case of Palestine?
It's right to me. Again I ask, what has Israel done for the US? It's mainly caused trouble for America. Again, it's the Israel lobby....American Jews plus American christian evangelicals that give tons of money.
It's not nonsensical at all. They give tons of money to political campaigns. They have a great PR operation. The Palestinians have a rotten one. It has nothing to do with numbers of people. It has to do with money, political power & public relations.
Combustible
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Israel has done an awful lot for the US, one example would be it significantly weakened arab nationalism on the back of the Six-Day war, eventually allowing the US to co-opt Egypt as a client state.
American Jews only make up 2% of the population. and US support for Israel predates the support given by evangelicals and doesn't explain why Democrats have historically supported Israel as much if not more than the Republicans. How could such a small population of Americans force the US government to act in a way detrimental to it's interests?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
What trouble? Specify. It has caused some veri mild embarrassment for the US,nothing more. But it helps patrol the Middle East, the Palestinian diaspora both weakens the states they have been forced into and provides a cheap workforce for their friends in Qatar etc. Win, win.
The US does not want a peaceful - and powerful - Middle East, it wants it weak and divived. The idea that it does so simply because of financial donations is laughable. I think you'll find the Arabists in the US aren't exactly skint, and if it were as simple as giving a few more quid than the Jews & evangelicals, then they'd have done it decades ago. But they havent., because they know it is a rubbish argument. And a bit of a racist one too.
That's pretty weak don't you think?
It does seem to be. I hope so. The horrible images from Gaza can't be ignored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
AIPAC helps connect donors with candidates, especially to the network of pro-Israel political action committees. AIPAC president Howard Friedman says “AIPAC meets with every candidate running for Congress. These candidates receive in-depth briefings to help them completely understand the complexities of Israel’s predicament and that of the Middle East as a whole. We even ask each candidate to author a ‘position paper’ on their views of the US-Israel relationship – so it’s clear where they stand on the subject.”[43]
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