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Gaza under attack yet again.

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Long term (however long that maybe) It seems to me they won't stop until there is no Palestine/Gaza Then what? Are They going to start on Syria? Iraq. Where the fuck will it all end?

Where will it end?

Here. Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema.
A "Greater Israel" that encompasses most of Lebanon, all of Jordan, and pieces of Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

THAT is where it will end, for the right-wing fuckwit Zionists in power in Israel, especially given the current acquiescence of the population.
 
Where will it end?

Here. Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema.
A "Greater Israel" that encompasses most of Lebanon, all of Jordan, and pieces of Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

THAT is where it will end, for the right-wing fuckwit Zionists in power in Israel, especially given the current acquiescence of the population.
i wonder if i'm the only person to read 'eretz' as 'ersatz'
 
Hamas have destroyed the myth the conscript IDF is an elite fighting force, for years it was claimed they were the worlds premier fighting force. 40 IDF dead already. Hamas are obviously trained in urban warfare. They also destroyed nemerous IDF tanks last time around, the same tanks it was claimed could withstand anti armour rounds, more bs.

Something for you to bear in mind:
Most of the IDF mobile infantry at Gaza currently aren't conscripts. The conscripts are all back in Israel, doing shit-work. Most of the cunts on the border are from elite infantry formations. The fact is, most of the current intake IDF have only ever been "blooded" fighting against civilians, or irregulars. They may be extremely well-trained, they may be utterly ruthless, but they're not the unstoppable force they're made out to be. You can't gauge an army's utility when they have always had superior training, and usually have superior ordnance and materiel.
BTW, "destroying" armour doesn't necessitate penetrating the armour. A tank can very simply be put out of use by blowing the tracks and/or penetrating the engine hatches.
 
Another live stream from Gaza: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jehadels

The buzz is unending.


Hezbollah also gave the IDF much more of a kicking than the Tom Clancy reading sorts would believe is possible. It's an army skilled only at sniping from walls and beating people up at roadblocks; actual combat is another story.

Hezbollah fucked the IDF because Hezbollah planned for the kind of land attack they knew the IDF would favour, then dug their artillery (a collection of 88s and 105s, plus some old tanks, and pre-aimed the artillery at specific choke points in the border area. They then targeted likely IDF breakout points with Katyushas. Absolutely classic tactics that the IDF should have been able to anticipate and circumvent, but no, they wanted the spectacle of massed tank divisions rolling into south Lebanon, and they paid dearly for it.
 
My other cousin sent me something from Sam Harris called 'why I don't criticise Israel' by way of an argument. Yes that is what's relevant now. Ffs

Sam Harris, AKA Jonathan Freedland. He doesn't criticise the state of Israel because he's down with his fellow British establishment Jews.
 
I suppose it might be like the Rwanda situation in a way, where humanity doesn't come into it as the aggressors see their "enemy" as sub-human, and can have no compassion for them therefore.
 
As Medialens just posted on Twitter:

"More educated often means more indoctrinated to support state violence."
It would seem that post graduate qualified peeps, which would include all the MBA types, are more likely to have a heavier investment in the status quo
Which in the States means pro Israel no matter what
 

This isn't about shame, this is about the state of Israel taking a historical perspective, and getting their narrative set out ahead of anyone else - the narrative that will play on concerns of a second holocaust to justify wielding the hammer over the Palestinians: "we may not be able to control the Jew-haters elsewhere, but at least we can stop them being a problem here!" - standard discourse/media management techniques.
 
even that tactic is wearing thin and ringing hollow frog, this the millionth time its been leveled. Brendan O niel did a piece on it the other day talking about how the left are falling into the trap of antisemitism etc. Wanted to ask him what political position the black hundreds came from but alas, the comment section was already swamped
 
Hezbollah fucked the IDF because Hezbollah planned for the kind of land attack they knew the IDF would favour, then dug their artillery (a collection of 88s and 105s, plus some old tanks, and pre-aimed the artillery at specific choke points in the border area. They then targeted likely IDF breakout points with Katyushas. Absolutely classic tactics that the IDF should have been able to anticipate and circumvent, but no, they wanted the spectacle of massed tank divisions rolling into south Lebanon, and they paid dearly for it.
It was hard for to get information on exactly how Hezbollah fought. Do you have any sources you can share/link to?
 
even that tactic is wearing thin and ringing hollow frog, this the millionth time its been leveled. Brendan O niel did a piece on it the other day talking about how the left are falling into the trap of antisemitism etc. Wanted to ask him what political position the black hundreds came from but alas, the comment section was already swamped

if anything, I've noticed less anti-Semitism
 
It's a genuine information/online front now though, with the live tweeting and reporters and people inside Gaza and the Israeli state and their apparatus working desperately trying to flood misinformation and misreported information through the system. I was talking with someone about the propaganda war and it's really unlike a lot of previous ones, including Iraq in 2003. Because there seems to be genuinely two sides to it, and the pro-Gaza side is outnumbering if not out gunning the Israeli side because the Israelis have one message, wheras the opposition have many.
 
A case can certainly be made, but not a strong one compared to, for example Rwanda or the former Yugoslavia, purely because the state of Israel boxed cleverer than the Rwandans and Serbs.

I dunno, some of those scenes resemble Sarajevo or something. And a pattern of destroying mosques etc is like what the Bosnian serb forces did in former Yugo isn't it?
 
I dunno, some of those scenes resemble Sarajevo or something.
the thing is, the killings in rwanda and in the former yugoslavia were within a recognisable polity. is the gaza strip part of the zionist entity, in which case what it's doing it's doing to its own citizens, or is it not part of the zionist entity, in which case it's waging aggressive war? what is the legal status of the gaza strip?
 
It's a genuine information/online front now though, with the live tweeting and reporters and people inside Gaza and the Israeli state and their apparatus working desperately trying to flood misinformation and misreported information through the system. I was talking with someone about the propaganda war and it's really unlike a lot of previous ones, including Iraq in 2003. Because there seems to be genuinely two sides to it, and the pro-Gaza side is outnumbering if not out gunning the Israeli side because the Israelis have one message, wheras the opposition have many.

Also, you can watch what's happening to Gaza. You can see apartment blocks obliterated, hear the savagery simply of the noise in a civilian area. It's impossible for Israel to twist that reality, no matter how hard it tries (and it really is).

I've noticed a lot of non political friends on FB and Twitter talking about it this time, much more than 2008. Something has shifted, whether it will mean anything for Gazans in the short term I don't know, but it's clearly linked to the internet and the access to information.
 
This is part of what Sam Harris, friend of Dawkins, new Atheist (neo-con) wrote:

What do we know of the Palestinians? What would the Palestinians do to the Jews in Israel if the power imbalance were reversed? Well, they have told us what they would do. For some reason, Israel’s critics just don’t want to believe the worst about a group like Hamas, even when it declares the worst of itself. We’ve already had a Holocaust and several other genocides in the 20th century. People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen. There is every reason to believe that the Palestinians would kill all the Jews in Israel if they could. Would every Palestinian support genocide? Of course not. But vast numbers of them—and of Muslims throughout the world—would. Needless to say, the Palestinians in general, not just Hamas, have a history of targeting innocent noncombatants in the most shocking ways possible. They’ve blown themselves up on buses and in restaurants. They’ve massacred teenagers. They’ve murdered Olympic athletes. They now shoot rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. And again, the charter of their government in Gaza explicitly tells us that they want to annihilate the Jews—not just in Israel but everywhere. [Note: Again, I realize that not all Palestinians support Hamas. Nor am I discounting the degree to which the occupation, along with collateral damage suffered in war, has fueled Palestinian rage. But Palestinian terrorism (and Muslim anti-Semitism) is what has made peaceful coexistence thus far impossible.]

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
 
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