Gaza under attack yet again.

[Treacle Toes]

Shame on their parents/Israeli society for killing their own children by sending them off to kill others. ^^^

 

[Barking_Mad]

yeah, fucking sort it out Barking_Mad

Not sure if this is a sarcy response to the poster or directed at me. Nothing 'wrong' with the photo anyhow.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Coupla commentators claimed Israel have shown great restraint, as they have the firepower to kill everyone in Gaza if they wanted, which Hamas would surely do to Israel if the shoe was on the other boot, so to speak

They clearly meant they could do it all at once, instead they have chosen to do it slowly and sadistically.

 

[ska invita]

Shame on their parents/Israeli society for killing their own children by sending them off to kill others. ^^^

well yes, though there is compulsory military service in Israel... and a lot more besides

 

[belboid]

she went with "i have no reason to doubt you"

well, she was only talking about the fact that they make those calls (and I have no reason to doubt that either), but her follow up was weak as fuck, completely missing out that they have then bombed the places they told them to go to

 

[Treacle Toes]

well yes, though there is compulsory military service in Israel... and a lot more besides

That is my point!

 

[Barking_Mad]

 

[ska invita]

old white people and students <cant trust them

 

[Treacle Toes]

Proving highschool children are more intelligent that post grads

 

[8ball]

Interesting breakdown. Where is that from?

 

[Barking_Mad]

Worth a read.

Israel Creates ‘No Man’s Land’ in Gaza, Shrinking Strip by 40 Percent

This narrow strip of land that used to be called “the Gaza Strip,” already one of the more densely populated places on earth, is growing dramatically smaller. The Israeli military, relentlessly and methodically, is driving people out of the three-kilometer (1.8 mile) buffer zone it says it needs to protect against Hamas rockets and tunnels. According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, the buffer zone eats up about 44 percent of Gaza’s territory.

What that means on the ground is scenes of extraordinary devastation in places like the Al Shajaya district approaching Gaza’s eastern frontier, and Beit Hanoun in the north. These were crowded neighborhoods less than three weeks ago. Now they have been literally depopulated, the residents joining more than 160,000 internally displaced people in refuges and makeshift shelters. Apartment blocks are fields of rubble, and as I move through this hostile landscape the phrase that keeps ringing in my head is “scorched earth.”

It’s not like Israel didn’t plan this. It told tens of thousands of Palestinians to flee so its air force, artillery and tanks could create this uninhabitable no-man’s land of half standing, burned-out buildings, broken concrete and twisted metal. During a brief humanitarian ceasefire some Gazans were able to come back to get their first glimpse of the destruction this war has brought to their communities, and to sift through their demolished homes to gather clothes or other scattered bits of their past lives. But many were not even able to do that.

When Rania Haels got within 60 feet of the debris that was once her family home in Al Shajaya on Saturday, a machine-gun on top of a nearby Israeli Merkava tank started firing. Probably these were warning shots pumped in her direction, but the 42-year-old mother of seven ran for her life. Now she stays with her family in an overcrowded parking garage in Gaza City and spends her days sitting in a public park full of refugees displaced by the Israeli push. Normally these would be festive times, the end of Ramadan is at hand and celebrations akin in spirit to Christmas festivities are beginning. But holidays have a way of intensifying tragedy. There is no place for Haels’s family to gather to give gifts and eat Palestinian sweets. There is, in fact, no place for them at all.

“We lost our homes and so now we live in the streets,” said Haels, holding a toddler in her arms who clings to her pastel-patterned hejab. “This war has destroyed me.” She says at least she knew where her home was. Some of her neighbors could not find their homes as they walked down streets made unrecognizable by the wreckage and horrifying by the presence of death.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Interesting breakdown. Where is that from?

I believe it's a Gallup Poll.

 

[DotCommunist]

she went with "i have no reason to doubt you"

BBC news journalism at its fucking finest then

 

[belboid]

I believe it's a Gallup Poll.

yes indeed, and it's backed up by another poll in today's Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...americans-take-a-dim-view-of-israels-actions/

 

[8ball]

I believe it's a Gallup Poll.

Thanks - from a quick Google the sample size and methodology look reasonable. Am a bit surprised by the relation with education level, less so with race and age.

 

[laptop]

Interesting breakdown. Where is that from?

Is Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx

based on telephone interviews conducted July 22-23, 2014, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey

 

[ViolentPanda]

These poor children will be remembered as being killed in the 'Eid Massacre'. How much longer can the rest of the World standby and do nothing??View attachment 58515

I'm kind of fixating on the fact that there's a Browning Hi-Power in the middle of that pool of gore. Not much to shoot back at tanks and artillery with.

 

[butchersapron]

On american polling:

The media are misconstruing how Americans really feel about Israel

(That should really have been called Israel's actions or something)

 

[agricola]

Thanks - from a quick Google the sample size and methodology look reasonable. Am a bit surprised by the relation with education level, less so with race and age.

It is perhaps troubling for the pro-Israeli camp that they can only get a maximum of 55% support (and that from the group that probably remembers a time in which Israel genuinely did have to fight for its existence) in a country that for decades has seen almost all politicians and media outlets blithely accept, repeat and promote the Israeli line of the day.

 

[belboid]

Am a bit surprised by the relation with education level, less so with race and age.

Education level = class (even more so than over here)

 

[Idris2002]

I'm kind of fixating on the fact that there's a Browning Hi-Power in the middle of that pool of gore. Not much to shoot back at tanks and artillery with.

That was described as a kid's toy in one caption I saw.

You all saw him - he had a gun.

 

[8ball]

Education level = class (even more so than over here)

Yeah, I thought it might be a combination of that and also perhaps a marker for being heavily invested in the current political setup.

 

[laptop]

It is perhaps troubling for the pro-Israeli camp that they can only get a maximum of 55% support (and that from the group that probably remembers a time in which Israel genuinely did have to fight for its existence) in a country that for decades has seen almost all politicians and media outlets blithely accept, repeat and promote the Israeli line of the day.

The WaPo is reporting roughly 15% across all groups giving an unprompted "plague on both their houses" - and roughly 30% "don't know".

 

[agricola]

The WaPo is reporting roughly 15% across all groups giving an unprompted "plague on both their houses" - and roughly 30% "don't know".

One does wonder about the "don't know"s in this - yes its the US, but this is the one foriegn policy issue that is in most of their news broadcasts, a surprising number of TV shows and various other outlets. Perhaps "don't know" is hiding quite a lot of "I do think what they are doing is a bit off, but am too embarrassed to say so given how everything on the tv is telling me otherwise".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why don't Hamas call their bluff and STOP firing missiles? I bet the motherfuckers still wouldn't cease their murderous campaign upon the Palestinians.

HAMAS have "called their bluff" dozens of times over the last decade. Stopping the "rockets" (they're not missiles, they're mortar bombs, aimed using trigonometry. Missliles have guidance systems) achieves nothing, because the "rockets" are so shite, and do so little infrastructural damage that they're only ever an excuse. Without the excuse of the "rockets", the state of Israel would fabricate other "reasons" for destroying Gaza.

 

[8ball]

One does wonder about the "don't know"s in this - yes its the US, but this is the one foriegn policy issue that is in most of their news broadcasts, a surprising number of TV shows and various other outlets. Perhaps "don't know" is hiding quite a lot of "I do think what they are doing is a bit off, but am too embarrassed to say so given how everything on the tv is telling me otherwise".

Also might be 'I don't agree with Israel but also don't want to give the impression of supporting Hamas'.

 

[DotCommunist]

and of course a good proportion who genuinly don't know which information they have to believe, and don't give enough of a shit to dig

 

[frogwoman]

HAMAS have "called their bluff" dozens of times over the last decade. Stopping the "rockets" (they're not missiles, they're mortar bombs, aimed using trigonometry. Missliles have guidance systems) achieves nothing, because the "rockets" are so shite, and do so little infrastructural damage that they're only ever an excuse. Without the excuse of the "rockets", the state of Israel would fabricate other "reasons" for destroying Gaza.

This fits the definition of genocide under international law doesn't it?

 

[Theisticle]

It took the IDF an hour to raze this Gaza neighbourhood (time lapse video).

 

[quiquaquo]

The map here really shows how utterly ruthless Israel is. Was going to write become but in reality nothing has changed. They are monsters: