Not doing this here. Sorry.This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
Yeah, I tend to lean towards thinking like "it's some country I've never been to, it's not any more or less relevant to my 'identity' than a whole list of other states that I also have no actual connection to"... but then that's easier said than done when people can't go ten minutes without making claims about how "the Jewish community" must feel about the subject (not having a go at JV here, just speaking generally).Personally I try to remove my ‘identity’ when trying to make sense of Israel/Palestine and working out what I can do wrt it. In any case ‘the Jewish state’ doesn’t need my support (even if it deserved it) - as I said upthread, I really don’t think it’s going to be ‘dismantled’ any time soon
Sorry. It is a picture of a member of the IDF pointing a gun at a toddler. I expect it is an old photo but still reflects what is going on & who is seen as a threat.care to post some context with that picture please MrSki as just like that with no indication as to where it was taken or when... it is not helpful
never apologise, never explainSorry. It is a picture of a member of the IDF pointing a gun at a toddler. I expect it is an old photo but still reflects what is going on & who is seen as a threat.
Sorry. It is a picture of a member of the IDF pointing a gun at a toddler. I expect it is an old photo but still reflects what is going on & who is seen as a threat.
That is up to you. If you think it will help to explain what is going on then feel free.Right. Shall I just post a picture of a rocket barrage for good measure? Maybe from 2014. Just to reflect what is going on and stuff.
That is up to you. If you think it will help to explain what is going on then feel free.
Next time I will post it with what I presume was Arabic script if that helps?It won't, so I don't. And neither should you, is my point.
i don't know where you've got the notion all posts must help to understand from. it seems rather un-urban to me, running counter to the sort of unfounded speculation and ill-informed comment which have always been such endearing (and indeed enduring) features of the site.It won't, so I don't. And neither should you, is my point.
Hefty bit of 'whataboutery' going on there.Right. Shall I just post a picture of a rocket barrage for good measure? Maybe from 2014. Just to reflect what is going on and stuff.
Reverse image search picks it up on this Greek blog as far back as 2009.
Thank God you spotted it. I'd have looked foolish otherwise.You included the bit where it says "From Arabic".
I tell you what is not helpful & bad form is editing your post after it has been quoted without even adding an ETA or anything. I only spotted your edit because someone else quoted it.Right. Shall I just post a picture of a rocket barrage for good measure? Maybe from 2014. Just to reflect what is going on and stuff.
Reverse image search picks it up on this Greek blog as far back as 2009.
I tell you what is not helpful & bad form is editing your post after it has been quoted without even adding an ETA or anything. I only spotted your edit because someone else quoted it.
So the image goes back to 2009? Just goes to show how long the IDF have been persecuting children. Take it as a free history lesson.
Not trying to minimise the incident, but have Boris 'n' Sir Keir been anything like as vocal about what's happening to the Palestinians?
Four arrests over video ‘showing antisemitic abuse shouted from cars in London’
Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer condemn ‘utterly disgusting’ footage of convoy in St John’s Woodwww.theguardian.com
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
Best book for history of the situation? What's the equivalent to Beevor's book on the Spanish Civil War. It's time for me to do some reading.
Best book for history of the situation? What's the equivalent to Beevor's book on the Spanish Civil War. It's time for me to do some reading.
No, it's an excellent response - exactly what I'm interested in. Thank you.I’m not sure if that answers your question.
Adam LeBor's City of Oranges - Arabs and Jews in Jaffa is fascinating and gives some background to the events before the Nakba. Above all, it focuses on several families (Jewish, Arab and Christian -all Palestinians) which gives the book a lot of heart.I'm half way through Tom Segev One Palestine Complete. A history of the interwar British Mandate.
Reads like a novel. Uses diaries and government documents to show both sides in Palestine. Brings to life the history of that period. From what I've read the roots of the present conflict can be seen to develop in that period. But it was not inevitable it ended up this way.