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Gaza under attack yet again.

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And the Palestinians were resisting the Israeli state and the settlers. In Jerusalem. But now Hamas are ‘the defenders of Jerusalem’.
Not quite sure what you are saying here, but the Al Aqsa mosque is a central and symbolically important Palestinian site. The forced evictions are being carried out very close by: indeed I suspect many affected run the various stalls in Old Jerusalem nearby. An overlapping flashpoint was restrictive/harsh Israeli military activity meted out to worshippers leaving that mosque. And yes I've been there, and Gaza too: the latter struck me then as nothing more than an impoverished open-air prison camp, with the Palestinians being the prisoners. I certainly do not like Hamas: but in this existential conflict I am with the Palestinians, without question.
 
Going to a Na'amod talk on Zoom later on. I feel pretty alienated from the mainstream Palestinian solidarity movement tbh - and im not the only one - but I do want to try and do something. I have been talking to my Palestinian friend the last few days and he seems pretty despairing, it's like he's just accepted this is how it is :(
 
like the nurse killed a few years ago the claim will probably be it was un-targeted killing; the bomb will have ricocheted, noone to blame, an accident etc
We will wait and see. With this outfit I am not even sure they can be arsed to lie. At the end of the day if you drop bombs on one of the most heavily populated places on earth you are responsible for this kind of death. Having said that I would quite willingly believe they are going after medics.
 
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This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
 
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
To be honest mate I think quite a few Jewish people would find it racist to be called out on their opinion just because they are Jewish. It would piss me off if people started asking me about my attitude to the British empire, or what I thought about West Ham's most recent score when being in west ham territory is only a tiny bit of my identity.
 
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
Without prejudging such an answer, it is evident to me there is a wide spectrum of Jewish opinion, as you might expect. The reason why Jeremy Corbyn was targeted was precisely because he was friendly with anti-Zionist Jews such as Jewish Voice for Labour. The latter clearly do not represent all Jews, but one (legitimate) strand of opinion. Sadly, in the view of the Board of Deputies and the Israeli state, such views are not legitimate and have to be suppressed.
 
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
I don't mind being asked about it, as people spend an awful lot of time assuming what Jewish people think about Israel and not asking them,

I don't feel a great deal of connection to Israel personally, but a lot of Jewish people have lots of family there, go on holiday there every year, have spent gap years or long periods there in their youth, and/or have been brought up with the attitude 'God forbid, should the worst happen here [meaning, something like the Nazis], Israel is there for you' and therefore many feel 'My Country Right or Wrong'. I think most British Jews do feel that way and will in genera make excuses for Israel - though i should point out very few have anything against Palestinians and I suspect a lot of people (wrongly) assume Jews and Palestinians have some kind of genetic hatred between one another, which is not the case at all.

I do feel some identification with Israel in the form of a kind of burden due to its actions because it is supposed to be 'my country' to some extent and know that some feel I should somehow be accountable for it, partly as they assume I will support it unreservedly.

I don't feel that criticism of the Israel government is antisemitic. I think some people fall into a trap of antisemtism because they assume Jew=Israeli and all Jews must be totally behind Israel on principle. I feel annoyed in a possibly pedantic way that I feel self-conscious is petty about people saying Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians because while they certainly don't give a shit about killing innocent people and children (which is obviously vile), I don't feel they are motivated by a desire and plan to murder all Palestinians and it feels a bit goady, like saying 'Oh, Jews had genocide committed on them and now LOOK! THEY'RE the ones committing genocide, I am so clever pointing that out'. And that kind of thing drives Jews away from feeling comfortable joining protests in support of Palestinian rights. That and the occasional thundercunts like the guys driving through Golders Green shouting 'Fuck the Jews, rape their daughters' Convoy drives through London shouting 'f**k the Jews, rape their daughters' who I know are totally minority, but really not fucking helping.

Don't get me wrong, many Jews would also be loath to join protests because of pushback they may get from their own communities as well. So yeah, it's complicated.
 
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.

Ask your FB friends
 
This seems kind of positive:




I tried looking at the organisers' website for more but it's all in Hebrew (and maybe some Arabic) so not much use to me:

Belatedly, just went back and had a look, turns out they do have an English section, although a fairly minimal one: ENGLISH | standing-together
This question is probably best answered by any Jewish people on this thread (frogwoman ?), and obviously the answer will be down to personal experience/social circles. Also, apologies if it's slightly off topic for this thread or clumsily worded. Do most Jews feel close ties with Israel and take criticism of Israel as anti-semitic? How do they feel when the topic is discussed? I'm not sure I know any Jewish people IRL (though have a couple as FB friends) so would be interested to know.
Yeah, as others have said above, it's impossible to answer - for me and the majority of the Jews I know, the answer would be no, but then again most of my mates don't vote tory, and I'd be reluctant to extrapolate out from that to conclude that not many people in England vote tory. 🤷‍♂️
 
To be honest mate I think quite a few Jewish people would find it racist to be called out on their opinion just because they are Jewish. It would piss me off if people started asking me about my attitude to the British empire, or what I thought about West Ham's most recent score when being in west ham territory is only a tiny bit of my identity.

This is why I acknowledged the question perhaps as clumsy, but I'm not calling out anyone on their opinion. As I said, I don't know that many Jewish people, so have no idea how much their religion or Israel is part of their identity. It's interesting to read individual responses. Like some people might ask how much the average Scot cares about independence, is it a sensitive topic, etc?
 
This is why I acknowledged the question perhaps as clumsy, but I'm not calling out anyone on their opinion. As I said, I don't know that many Jewish people, so have no idea how much their religion or Israel is part of their identity. It's interesting to read individual responses. Like some people might ask how much the average Scot cares about independence, is it a sensitive topic, etc?
Completely take that on board and appreciate your sensitivity towards the sensitivity. I should have been a bit more gentle with my words. By the responses you have generated it is clear that it was a good question.
 
There is no average Jewish person.

Some are Zionist, some are anti-Zionist, some are neutral on the matter.

Some are Tories, some are socialists, some are communists, some are anarchists, and so on.

Some are Ashkenazi, some are Sephardic, some are Ethiopian, and so on.

My own family (on Dad's side) were proud to be part of the diaspora and disapproved, on the whole, of the creation of the state of Israel.

Some approve of the state of Israel but not the expansions since 1948.

Like any large group of people, we are each unique and have our own thoughts & opinions.
 
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