MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
That surprises me to be truthful, most Western governments tend to offer lukewarm support to the US line but the French have always shown a bit of independence at least up until now.
Gaza under attack yet again.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Other way round I'd suggest - the European states are as supportive (in broad terms) of Israel as the US is, they just use less spicy language.
To be fair to the French, there kind of a fairly reasonable, non-political and non-zionist reason for them to be not overly keen on the idea of 50,000 (or whatever) people standing in a big crowd in the middle of Paris and then getting on the public transport system. If they had forbidden a far right demo on the grounds of previous violence and C-19 risks no one would bat an eyelid....
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Watch: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes impassioned speech against Biden policy on Israel crisis.mp4
Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has heavily criticised President Joe Biden’s response to escalating tensions in Gaza, asking if “Palestinians have a right to survive?” On Wednesday, Mr Biden had said that he expects the violence to end “sooner rather than later” and that...
www.independent.co.uk
She'll no doubt get a kicking for this from republicans (particularly)
TopCat
Putin fanboy
George Bush senior threatened to remove loan guarantees to Israel in the 90’s. Do you think this was due to domestic pressure?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Less mickiq and more mickiqluless
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The first president to explicitly support the call for an independent Palestinian state.
it was an attempt to build up wider support amongst Arab states rather than simply relying on Israeli support, IMO.
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
TBH I didn't know that but whether he would have followed through who knows, but I think US Politics has definitely grown ever less willing to be critical of Israel, I seriously can't imagine Biden doing anything at ll.
That's better than some of the snide little comments you aim at other posters, I'm mildly impressed 5/10
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Iran I should imagine.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Guessing that's an online thing?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah. I was meant to be going to a Shavuot picnic and might still go but I feel like I'm coming down with something so maybe I'll go to that instead.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The IDF pulled of a neat trick last night....
Hamas' ingenuity for, and dependence on, tunnels has long been known - it's how they move around Gaza, how they bring in weapons etc..
Yesterday there was a lot of political and twitter talk about the IDF conducting a ground operation into Gaza, while IDF said 'no comment' and lots of pictures of tanks on low loaders and comments about the Israeli army's poor operational security did the rounds - so Hamas' pulled it's people into the tunnel complexes in order to be able attack the Israelis when they turned up, and then disappear to fight another day.
Except that the Israelis have obviously gone to a lot of effort to map the tunnel systems, and when Hamas' went underground, the Israelis put 150 aircraft in the air in one go, and dropped 450 guided bombs into the tunnel complexes.
Today the Israelis have - with a wink and a grin - apologised to the various media outlets they briefed for misleading them...
In more political news, it looks like both sides are quietly briefing that they might be responsive to the other side wanting to talk about talks. Might be true, might not be...
Hamas' ingenuity for, and dependence on, tunnels has long been known - it's how they move around Gaza, how they bring in weapons etc..
Yesterday there was a lot of political and twitter talk about the IDF conducting a ground operation into Gaza, while IDF said 'no comment' and lots of pictures of tanks on low loaders and comments about the Israeli army's poor operational security did the rounds - so Hamas' pulled it's people into the tunnel complexes in order to be able attack the Israelis when they turned up, and then disappear to fight another day.
Except that the Israelis have obviously gone to a lot of effort to map the tunnel systems, and when Hamas' went underground, the Israelis put 150 aircraft in the air in one go, and dropped 450 guided bombs into the tunnel complexes.
Today the Israelis have - with a wink and a grin - apologised to the various media outlets they briefed for misleading them...
In more political news, it looks like both sides are quietly briefing that they might be responsive to the other side wanting to talk about talks. Might be true, might not be...
bimble
floofy
I think the writing there is wrong, they’re not ‘attempting to clash’ w the idf they’re civilians supporting, standing in solidarity w Palestine. They have made it across the Jordon border now too.
not-bono-ever
meh
Israeli/ Palestine conflict Death ratio was running between 50 and 250 :1 over the past few years. This is looking to be a record breaking year I think
not-bono-ever
meh
Allenby bridge I assume ?
bimble
floofy
i didn't think so but looks like yes. The same few videos are all over the twitter.
Pro-Palestinian protestors in Lebanon storm border fences and enter Israel
Social media showed crowds on the northern and eastern borders push through fences
www.independent.co.uk
Jordanian Gov is supportive of the protestors:
Popular protests represent Jordanian solidarity with Palestine: government
Popular protests represent Jordanian solidarity ....
en.royanews.tv
bimble
floofy
Lebanon border:
www.newsweek.com
Looks like one of the young Lebanese men who attempted to get through the border fence is dead, shot at the border by IDF. Claims circulating already like ten mins later that he was Hezbollah member.
'Intense Mobilization' at Israel-Lebanon Border, IDF Tanks Fire at Protests
Israeli tanks opened fire in an effort to halt mass protests that crossed the border from Lebanon into Israel, reportedly injuring two and prompting the Lebanese military to respond to the scene.
www.newsweek.com
Looks like one of the young Lebanese men who attempted to get through the border fence is dead, shot at the border by IDF. Claims circulating already like ten mins later that he was Hezbollah member.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And not among the people who have engineered this situation
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
My mates been staying in Jenin, which is 'fine' apparently, for Eid and has to get to Ramallah tomorrow, the road is really dangerous and takes around two hours he said. 
I didnt want to really ask him any more but does anyone know, is it dangerous because of settlers or just general 'clashes'? I hope he's going to be ok.
I didnt want to really ask him any more but does anyone know, is it dangerous because of settlers or just general 'clashes'? I hope he's going to be ok.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Settlers attack Palestinian vehicles south of Jenin
I've just seen this I am a bit worried he might get hurt now.
I've just seen this
I am a bit worried he might get hurt now. 
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Watch: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes impassioned speech against Biden policy on Israel crisis.mp4
Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has heavily criticised President Joe Biden’s response to escalating tensions in Gaza, asking if “Palestinians have a right to survive?” On Wednesday, Mr Biden had said that he expects the violence to end “sooner rather than later” and that...
She'll no doubt get a kicking for this from republicans (particularly)
In the US, you really don't dare to criticize Israel if you value your political or academic career.
josef1878 2.0
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Which raises the question, what else do they have?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't spoil the surprise. Which probably won't be much of a surprise if you saw the guardian article which talked of anti-tank missiles
josef1878 2.0
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I didn't see that article but did see a mention somewhere. They do seem to have better quality hardware this time around.
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