Gaza under attack yet again.

[Mr.Bishie]

Israel announced it will be launching operation “Guardian of the Walls” against the Gaza Strip. While it is unclear how long the operation will last for, it will likely kill hundreds of innocent Gazan civilians and injure thousands in the coming days. However, what is clear is that Netanyahu will attempt to leverage the Israeli public’s fear in order to assert himself as the leader the country needs in this time of “crisis” and that he is the only candidate strong enough to face such a “threat.”

 

[Flavour]

Despicable. The poor people of Gaza.

 

[frogwoman]

Things are spiralling and problem is with the rockets now, are a lot more advanced than in previous years, there's already been a few deaths on the Israeli side and they're hitting places like Tel Aviv where my mate is,(and which iirc has never happened before) people are already pretty terrified. Add to that a leader who was extremely unpopular before this and facing a probable prison term and so is desperate to hold onto power and is beyond giving a fuck, and doesn't have full control of (and doesn't care) what his more fanatical nationalist allies are up to anyway. There's a lot more opposition in Israel than there has been so I don't know if this will work in his bid to stay the leader, but the worry is that someone even worse in Likud or one of the far right parties might end up struggling for power if he goes. The police in Jerusalem are pretty much doing what they want at the moment anyway

 

[frogwoman]

'Jerusalem day'

No. Fuck sake

 

[Flavour]

where have you seen reports of Israeli civilian deaths from rocket fire, frogwoman ?

 

[Shechemite]

More than 52,000 Palestinians displaced by Israeli airstrikes, UN says - follow live

Follow the latest updates on the conflict

www.independent.co.uk

 

[belboid]

where have you seen reports of Israeli civilian deaths from rocket fire, frogwoman ?

It’s on the Beeb - Rockets target Tel Aviv after Gaza tower destroyed

 

[hitmouse]

Aye enough already with the efforts to make 'Jerusalem day' a real holiday

Fucking disgraceful that Rabbi Sacks went over there for it a few years back.

 

[frogwoman]

where have you seen reports of Israeli civilian deaths from rocket fire, frogwoman ?

Was on France24, earlier on today in ashkelon.

Here Israel, Hamas trade deadly fire as confrontation escalates

 

[hitmouse]

Some people I know from the Jewish community ( dont want to say what synagogue) are having a protest against Netanyahu's policies and the occupation tonight and I think more demos are planned next week. The head of the UK's third (I think) biggest Jewish denomination has condemned what they are doing. It feels very different to when Israel last did something like this

although I'm not sure how much more public support helps the Palestinians given Netanyahu is quite happy to pal around with Orban, Putin, Saudi Arabia and various evangelical end times nutters

Twitter thread of today's Na'amod stuff here:

 

[not-bono-ever]

Horrendous, being stuck in a massive prison camp knowing that no one outside the camp will do anything to help you when you are bombed. whatever viewpoint you take on the whole conflict and the factions on both sides, this is pretty much objectively disgusting

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah I have heard about a few commemorations of it and in some cases (not an excuse) I think some people outside Israel think, or want to believe, they are celebrating jerusalem or it is another version of israeli Independence day or something and don't know what it is actually a much more violent version of 'the glorious twelfth'. If sacks went there he probably knew what he was doing tho.

 

[not-bono-ever]

doesnt help that there are official signs at the wall in Jerusalem telling Israel citizens that will effectively be killed if they cross the line to the Palestinian side. what subtle message does that send to citizens ?

 

[frogwoman]

One of the things that was said in that podcast was that by and large the speaker thought it was settlers coming from the west bank outside Jerusalem to start violence rather than locals. Might not be entirely true of course

 

[not-bono-ever]

al jazeera is wall to wall coverage

 

[frogwoman]

Edit: oh he's deleted the tweet now

 

[teqniq]

What it says on the tin:

It’s Obvious — Israel Is an Apartheid State

There are no “clashes” occurring in Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians. What we’re seeing is the brutal reality of an occupying power exercising its military might over a people stripped of their human rights.

jacobinmag.com

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking disgraceful that Rabbi Sacks went over there for it a few years back.

Even worse, he came back

 

[Mr.Bishie]

 

[Flavour]

I wonder how many rockets Hamas have and how long it will take them to run out

 

[TopCat]

More a question of how many iron dome missiles the Israelis have. Not enough I would think.

 

[Idris2002]

More a question of how many iron dome missiles the Israelis have. Not enough I would think.

Biden will organize a "mercy dash" airlift if stocks run low, dinnae fret.

 

[Knotted]

Biden is saying that Israel has the right to defend itself but the Palestinian people also have the right to safety and security. Which is crap but Obama never said the latter part iirc. The Americans might put a stop to this before it goes full protective edge.

 

[19force8]

Just one question: is it too early to call it a pogrom?

 

[Shechemite]

She looks about 12. Gross

 

[kebabking]

Biden will organize a "mercy dash" airlift if stocks run low, dinnae fret.

The US doesn't have stocks of Tamir missiles because it doesn't use them. Iron Dome has some US components, but not any that you could throw in on a plane and launch into the sky. the US could deploy its own systems, but they aren't ones the Israelis use, so would need either US military, or contractor operators, which would be something of a risk.

When Israel does run out of Tamir missiles, I think we can safely say that what it won't do is cower under its desks, saying 'oh god we're sorry, please make it stop..'. it will instead go fully offensive, making its current efforts look like small, weak beers.

If you value Palestinian lives, pray that Iron Dome doesn't run out of missiles. Of course, if your only interest is in dead Israelis, with Palestinians being a convenient, and entirely disposable method to achieve that, then pray they run out...

 

[two sheds]

e-mail from MAP

“I find it difficult to find the words to describe what the two million people in Gaza have witnessed over the last few days. Last night was one of the most terrible nights and brings back devastating memories of Israel’s deadly offensive on Gaza in 2014.” – Fikr Shalltoot – Director of Programmes, Gaza.

I wanted to update you on the developing situation in Gaza and East Jerusalem. At the time of writing, there are over 1,000 casualties in East Jerusalem. With further bombardment in Gaza happening throughout the past week – we have seen the deaths of at least 50 people, including 14 children, with multiple residential tower blocks destroyed. All of this has put additional strain on a healthcare system already on the verge of collapse as it struggles to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic. I have attached links to MAP’s latest articles describing the situation below.

We are working rapidly to provide immediate aid to hospitals in Gaza and East Jerusalem to respond to this growing emergency. Some of the items we will be procuring can be found below. Across our areas of work, we expect these items to cost around $200,000. Please note that this is a small overview of the items that are required. If you would like a complete outline, then please do not hesitate to ask.

Plus a list of what they don't have.

The post I deleted above was from a disturbing video I saw on Reddit of Israelis dancing joyously with a fire in the Al-Aqsa compound in the background. This article gives the background, although they're hardly an impartial source themselves so I'm not altogether sure what was going on.

Jews dancing while fire rages on Temple Mount lights up social media

Critics wrote scathing posts of how they were dancing as the Temple Mount was burning.

www.jpost.com

 

[Idris2002]

Of course, if your only interest is in dead Israelis, with Palestinians being a convenient, and entirely disposable method to achieve that, then pray they run out...

Yes mate, I think of little else, and my every waking moment is devoted to the tallying of Israeli casualties. I've got a spreadsheet and everything.

Hamas seems to have upped the ante with its own missiles, which are not the Heath Robinson-ish held together with sticky backed plastic jobs of yore. Which raises the question, how did they get hold of them?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just one question: is it too early to call it a pogrom?

it's been a pogrom since 1948

 

[belboid]

Which raises the question, how did they get hold of them?

Hamas have been claiming since last year that in can produce its own M75 missiles (sometimes by cannibalising unexploded Israeli missiles), or from Iran via discreet sea drops