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getting closer to a fascist state?
Gaza under attack yet again.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'll relieve you from your struggles. it hasn't been this bad since 1982 and sabra and shatila.
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Starry Wisdom
it's convenient for the bombs.
"slaughtered innocents" are most definitely martyrs according to Islam. What on earth made you think otherwise?
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they're being killed for what they are. this makes them by definition martyrs. at least the early xian martyrs often had the opportunity of recanting their beliefs - these children didn't stand a chance.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's not muslim and in christian tradition martyr means to make a choice in defence of the church. How on earth did you not know that?
How dare you assume that what muslims hold to be true should be known by all.
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martyrs are people who are killed for their beliefs. in this case they're being killed because of the beliefs they'd have held if they'd grown up. which in my view makes them martyrs nonetheless, even if i don't believe they're guaranteed 72 virgins etc.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Maybe according to Islam but I reckon a straw poll of non-muslims would suggest otherwise.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Were they really killed for their beliefs? Or for the land they lay a claim too?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Christian martyrs are those who had an opp to abjure their beliefs and didn't. Not just people who were killed for holding a belief.
The key pointy is here though is the arrogance of QQQ in assuming that what s/he understands as islamic marytership must be know by all and not to is some sort of failing.
RhymnRzn
anti-doter
yes indeed, i am personally aghast at the new lows reached by this mockery of a just society my country is. not that i am a sole proprietor of sound minded judgment on matters, but, how it is that there is barely any turn out of protesters to stand in solidarity with the cruelly entreated peoples of Gaza, except for people primarily immigrated from the middle east, mortifies me. i copped a listening on one of the pooblicke radio programs today, which leading on from one point of discussion to another, i managed to catch a reference to a gallup poll without giving myself whiplash, which readers might find interesting:
(gathered from http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx)
nevermind the point that it would be equally abhorrent if the palestinians were the one's with the jacked-up military advantage vaunting themselves over israel: these lackies have an agenda that has no interest in a coexistence with anything less than subjugated masses.
and how there's not been much by the way of repercussions from other nations that don't sear their consciences with a hot iron by bowing the knee to enemies stronger than themselves, i think, is just a temporary blip.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx
Pickman's model
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a bit from column a and a bit from column b.
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can sell them to the zionist entity but can't sell them to people in the uk
Ranbay
The same rules apply
can sell them to the zionist entity but can't sell them to people in the uk
Would come in well handy for them flag waving cunts and Glastonbury for sure.
A petition worth signing :
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/68040
Bring severely injured children of Gaza to UK for treatment
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/68040
Bring severely injured children of Gaza to UK for treatment
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The children of Gaza killed by the Israeli state are, like the 'civilian' adults, victims of genocide and don't need or deserve any supernatural epithet.
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it's not a supernatural epithet
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
In the context of the discussion above, it is.
Pickman's model
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ffs
the manchester martyrs
the metric martyr
the tolpuddle martyrs
the haymarket martyrs
it's not a fucking supernatural epithet.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
yes indeed, i am personally aghast at the new lows reached by this mockery of a just society my country is. not that i am a sole proprietor of sound minded judgment on matters, but, how it is that there is barely any turn out of protesters to stand in solidarity with the cruelly entreated peoples of Gaza, except for people primarily immigrated from the middle east, mortifies me. i copped a listening on one of the pooblicke radio programs today, which leading on from one point of discussion to another, i managed to catch a reference to a gallup poll without giving myself whiplash, which readers might find interesting:
(gathered from http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx)
nevermind the point that it would be equally abhorrent if the palestinians were the one's with the jacked-up military advantage vaunting themselves over israel: these lackies have an agenda that has no interest in a coexistence with anything less than subjugated masses.
and how there's not been much by the way of repercussions from other nations that don't sear their consciences with a hot iron by bowing the knee to enemies stronger than themselves, i think, is just a temporary blip.
Unsurprising but still interesting that the more educated a person is the more they agree with the state line.
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Starry Wisdom
which seems to defeat the object of higher education which - you'd have thought - would be 'think for yourself'.
Treacle Toes
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
It makes me think of Chomsky and that whole natural filtering system that's in place.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
ffs
the manchester martyrs
the metric martyr
the tolpuddle martyrs
the haymarket martyrs
it's not a fucking supernatural epithet.
If someone is regarded as a Martyr "according to Islam" or is described as a Muslim/Christian martyr then, in that context, the word is being using as a supernatural epithet.
Anyhows, the 'non-supernatural' uses all imply death/penalty imposed upon the basis of beliefs held. It is clearly arrant nonsense to ascribe beliefs to infants; there is no such thing as a Muslim infant.
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i suppose a lot of the people who have postgraduate education will have studied sciences or law or economics or business etc which aren't subjects which really encourage a great deal of critical analysis of society. people who have studied eg history or philosophy or literature might have a different stance on things.
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