Game of thrones season 8 [contains spoilers]

[Gromit]

Danaerys becomes the Night Queen. Everyone dies.

I don't know how this happens, but she wears slightly similar colour clothes to the Night King and when squinting at a poor quality download could be mistaken for him.

Science.

How it happens?
Remember the Night King bending down, picking up a shard and throwing it at her as she flew away on her dragon. She groans as if hit.

 

[Gromit]

Given that they knew fire is the most effective way to deal with the zombies they could have put in a bit more effort on that front. Such as a much wider moat/ trench/ barrier.to set on fire than the pitiful one they constructed, which only took a dozen or two bodies to bridge over.

Actually, what about that highly explosive green stuff that was used very successfully to blow up an entire armada a few seasons ago? I’m sure if they’d made a few enquiries they would have soon met some bloke in a seedy inn who would have known a guy who could supply a few barrels of the stuff for the right price...

Wildfire. You need pyromancers to make it.

 

[magneze]

How it happens?
Remember the Night King bending down, picking up a shard and throwing it at her as she flew away on her dragon. She groans as if hit.

Of course I'd remembered that. Key part of the theory. Definitely.

 

[fieryjack]

Blah blah

you should realise that it was, fairly obviously, intended as a humorous article. You've basically trolled yourself and now you look daft. Reminds me of the responses to PWoT's old "50 reasons that Lord of the Rings sucked" article.

Article
Typical reaction

 

[binka]

Given that they knew fire is the most effective way to deal with the zombies they could have put in a bit more effort on that front. Such as a much wider moat/ trench/ barrier.to set on fire than the pitiful one they constructed, which only took a dozen or two bodies to bridge over.

Actually, what about that highly explosive green stuff that was used very successfully to blow up an entire armada a few seasons ago? I’m sure if they’d made a few enquiries they would have soon met some bloke in a seedy inn who would have known a guy who could supply a few barrels of the stuff for the right price...

Or what about some sort of mobile fire dispenser? Maybe two of them, preferably airborne for rapid deployment and maneuverability

 

[agricola]

What if bran is the baddie and the night king was merely much maligned?

I do wonder about this, or rather its a theory to cling to about why the last episode made so little sense that doesn't involve "the writing was terrible". I appreciate this may have been said before, but:

If Bran / the three eyed Raven could control the Night King, then it might explain why so many of the main characters didn't die (of those who did, the only one he had any kind of past relationship with was Theon), why Sam in particular was left alone again (for at least the third time when a walker or the dead could easily have killed him), how Jon got out from being entirely surrounded, why the dead kept their respectful distance around him at the end with Theon, why the Night King just walked up to him dumbly and more importantly where (and why) Bran warged off to with the ravens:



... that the night king starts the attack on winterfell then, right after the ravens find him and when you cannot see what his eyes are like (ie: that someone has warged into him) because they are out of focus, might be a bit suspicious. However it could also be terrible writing.

 

[ska invita]

Yes that was annoying. Loads of people should have died that way, Brienne, Sam, Jaime, Tormund (is he still alive?), Jon, Gendry, were those zombies even trying to kill them?

One of the things people say about GoT is 'they kill off main characters'. Not been the case for a long while, and yeah way too many survivors from this. Everyone in the crypt should be dead too

One thing I noticed in the first two episodes of series 8, theres lots of old fashioned soap opera style scenes where two characters talk, then one turns away and walks towards the camera and has the conversation over their shoulder, and then turns to face the person again at the end...well soapy. Was it always like this, or has it taken that turn more recently? I guess lots of episodes get directed by different people so that might have been a factor.

anyway, very entertaining even if getting a bit less believable and sillier

 

[May Kasahara]

I was just delighted that Bran didnt get the glory of killing the Night King, the smug lazy fucker

An episode both great and slightly frustrating, although I'm not sure it could ever live up to the huge expectations after such a long build up. I loved the murk, the terror of the sheer numbers (the scene near the end where Jon was trying to get to Bran and it was just raining bodies everywhere was ), Lyanna Mormont, Sansa and Tyrion, the library scene, in fact any scene with Arya Also loved the authentic close quarters fear, especially the Hound and Grey Worm. Agree with the wasted Dothraki charge, although a brilliant visual device, and the fact that loads more biggish characters would be dead due to said sheer numbers of the enemy. And the crypt - I mean, for fuck's sake, surely they would have sent them down there with a load of weapons just to be on the safe side?

Might watch it again. If I can find two spare hours

 

[donkyboy]

very entertaining even if getting a bit less believable and sillier

this is a show about dragons, sorcery and the undead. Not sure what you were expecting.

One thing I noticed in the first two episodes of series 8, theres lots of old fashioned soap opera style scenes where two characters talk, then one turns away and walks towards the camera and has the conversation over their shoulder, and then turns to face the person again at the end...well soapy.

never seen anyone do this in real life. ever.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Found this fascinating. 40 min vid on the making of EP.3. The sheer logistics of the firepit and the single scene with undead dropping into Jon...anyway, watch it. And keep a tissue handy for the very end.

 

[JimW]

... And keep a tissue handy for the very end.

Not another unnecessary seduction scene?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Not another unnecessary seduction scene?

Oh, Jim.

I'm not going to spoil it but it's an interview, not smut

 

[donkyboy]

Not another unnecessary seduction scene?

Just tell us. I don't watch 40 min

 

[JimW]

Just tell us. I don't watch 40 min

Don't ask me, YouTube is blocked here.

 

[donkyboy]

Sorry. Using my phone. Wrong quotage

 

[rekil]

I think its one of the things about got that annoys me the most - they put so much effort into giving it an authentic feel (yeah I know dragons) yet the battles always seem so inept with two sides just crashing into each other with no thought for strategy. They should have had a series of fire trenches and obstacles much further out with infantry behind that with archers and trebuchet behind them. Once the army of the dead was held up the dragons could have destroyed most of them in pretty short order

Some schoolkids at the bus stop this morning talking about how 'cool' the cavalry scene was.

Me:

Spoiler

 

[belboid]

One of the things people say about GoT is 'they kill off main characters'. Not been the case for a long while, and yeah way too many survivors from this. Everyone in the crypt should be dead too

It would have been really great if, after the idiotic cavalry charge, Jorah just never came back. Not just cos he's fucking Jorah, a tedious old bore, but because it would be going 'he's just gone, doesn't even get a big goodbye scene.' Then we'd have been worried for anyone and everyone (whilst also fearing his return as a deus ex machina). He did nothing of note after that, Greyworm could have come and saved Dany that one time. Would almost have made up for how utterly stupid (but totally cool looking) that charge was.

 

[Chz]

Prior to the modern age, only a true tactical genius would try something that they hadn't trained for 1000 times before. Your Hannibals and Napoleons. The command and control infrastructure didn't exist. These people have no training, except for the Unsullied. Their leaders have no training. It's an entirely probable outcome. I just assumed the Dothraki would ride off to attack their enemies the moment they saw them irrespective of what anyone wanted them to do. Just try telling them not to.

 

[flypanam]

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[donkyboy]

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[belboid]

Prior to the modern age, only a true tactical genius would try something that they hadn't trained for 1000 times before. Your Hannibals and Napoleons. The command and control infrastructure didn't exist. These people have no training, except for the Unsullied. Their leaders have no training. It's an entirely probable outcome. I just assumed the Dothraki would ride off to attack their enemies the moment they saw them irrespective of what anyone wanted them to do. Just try telling them not to.

Tosh. They (the GoT lot) had been fighting major wars for decades. The Mongols, who the Dothraki were, y'know, based upon, were expert tacticians who learnt from enemies all around the world and thus built the biggest empire ever. We have seen in many previous episodes that they are good at military tactics, so why would they forget now? You don't have to be a tactical genius to know that when your enemy is surrounding you and not moving, that's a good time to shoot them with as many flamey pointy things as possible.

 

[Gromit]

Tosh. They (the GoT lot) had been fighting major wars for decades. The Mongols, who the Dothraki were, y'know, based upon, were expert tacticians who learnt from enemies all around the world and thus built the biggest empire ever. We have seen in many previous episodes that they are good at military tactics, so why would they forget now? You don't have to be a tactical genius to know that when your enemy is surrounding you and not moving, that's a good time to shoot them with as many flamey pointy things as possible.

Mongols? No.

They are nomadic and tribal and the similarities end there as you could say the same about native Americans for example.

The mongrels were primarily mounted archers and occasionally they used wooden lances. Not many could afford a sword.

Dothraki just use their wonky swords.

 

[belboid]

Martin said they were based on the Mongols (amongst others), so I think he knows a bit more than you

 

[Chz]

They've never shown any sign of being more than a berserker horde in the show.
Haven't read the books, but I do know that Martin is what you'd consider an unreliable narrator.

Though I have to say - with the best tactics and C&C in existence, they were still going to lose.

 

[smmudge]

Also for a former member of the King's Guard, the Hound is not very good in battle. Bet he embellished his CV a bit to get that gig.

 

[Shechemite]

Also for a former member of the King's Guard, the Hound is not very good in battle. Bet he embellished his CV a bit to get that gig.

Episode 5 they call his bluff, shout ‘liar liar pants on fire’, then he dies from the shock

 

[Santino]

 

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[keybored]

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You can't withhold your number for SMS.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Martin said they were based on the Mongols (amongst others), so I think he knows a bit more than you

They are based on the Mongols but Martin's based his research on 5 minutes on wiki and the worst parts of the rants of the victims of the fall of Baghdad and Kiev.

Worse than even his Viking substitutes the Dothraki, hell the entire Essos range of cultures, is mired in racist stereotypes, colonialist prejudice and poor research.