Galloway returns to Parliament in sensational win in Bradford West - Labour/Coalition smashed

[SpineyNorman]

The BNP and EDL are racist because they think and act racist, not because they dislike the Islamic religion.

Same as JHE then you thick cunt.

 

[rekil]

Isn't JHE an expat? Lives in Spain or something? Or have I perchance confused the despicable fucker with some other creepy cunt.

 

[Citizen66]

The politics of Russia ignores the Orthodox Church at its peril. That's a particularly naive question, even coming from you. Politics, just so you know, is not confined to political parties, even one so powerfull as the Soviet Communist one once was.

So all politics regardless of political parties are 'inextricably linked' with religion?

 

[Citizen66]

Now I'm done with you. Such a childish question is not worth me wasting my time over.

I want you to define the anti Islamism that is your position. You've been harping on and on about it for pages now. Set out your stall.

 

[redsquirrel]

As long as the Tories continue to cut the higher rates of tax they will alienate very few of their supporters.

Yeah I mean it's not like Labour are ahead in the polls and were for pretty much all of 2011.
It's not like the Tories have just seen a huge drop in their vote at the last by-election.
It's not like that over the last week even papers traditionally friendly to them have been attacking them
None of that has happened has it.

You tit, you can't even get the fucking basics right.

 

[Citizen66]

He's already ran away. True to form, he'll re-appear elsewhere and start up the monotony again like none of this ever happened.

 

[Lock&Light]

He's already ran away. True to form, he'll re-appear elsewhere and start up the monotony again like none of this ever happened.

I've never run away. I told you, I'm no longer prepared to waste time on the likes of you.

 

[Lock&Light]

Yeah I mean it's not like Labour are ahead in the polls and were for pretty much all of 2011.
It's not like the Tories have just seen a huge drop in their vote at the last by-election.
It's not like that over the last week even papers traditionally friendly to them have been attacking them
None of that has happened has it.

You tit, you can't even get the fucking basics right.

When I say supporters I don't mean those who occasionally choose to vote for them. I mean supporters.

 

[bamalama]

That's not an accurate comparison. I've been physically attacked because I am Scottish and, as I've said before the use of the word "Paki" is not always (often, even usually, but not always) combined with physical violence.

This whole discussion started with me saying that I don't think adding the suffix -stan to a place-name is obviously and nessessarily racist and I stand by that.

 

[Citizen66]

I've never run away. I told you, I'm no longer prepared to waste time on the likes of you.

Good. Piss off from the boards then.

 

[chilango]

Ignoring the nonsense above, one thing that strikes me in some of the reactions to this election is the confusion between criticising Respect for trying to appeal to "communal politics" and the assumption that the voters are going to conform to "communal politics".

Whether Galloway tried to appeal to a mythical "muslim vote" or not, it certaibnly does not follow that any such "muslim vote" exists or that voters are going to sit within such a framework.

there are some hints that Galloway won this because of a turn-out of young, disenfranchised people who don't normally vote. This is by far the most interesting possibility in this election.

 

[The39thStep]

Council elections: Respect could conceivably use the success and their new activists to put up a credible show. one in which enthusiasm could triumph over a lack of organisation on the ground. Labour must sense this locally but its difficult to know the state of their local machine after this.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

Council elections: Respect could conceivably use the success and their new activists to put up a credible show. one in which enthusiasm could triumph over a lack of organisation on the ground. Labour must sense this locally but its difficult to know the state of their local machine after this.

After 1,200 posts, many nothing to do with Bradford West, it's time to start a new thread on the Council Elections methinks

 

[manny-p]

Whether Galloway tried to appeal to a mythical "muslim vote" or not, it certaibnly does not follow that any such "muslim vote" exists or that voters are going to sit within such a framework.
.

I would say he was going for the pakistani vote who are mostly muslim. Nothing mythical about it.

 

[redsquirrel]

When I say supporters I don't mean those who occasionally choose to vote for them. I mean supporters.

What you mean like leader writers for the Telegraph and Mail, who've published articles critical of them
Or the core supporters that polling shows are angered by the budget.
Idiot, you've not a clue.

 

[Citizen66]

People who have the scarf on their bedroom wall.

 

[chilango]

I would say he was going for the pakistani vote who are mostly muslim. Nothing mythical about it.

Pakistani and Muslim aren' interchangeable.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I don't much like Galloway as his biggest agenda has always been himself, but the recent 'Galloway is a drinker' smear is just that though, a smear. I worked for War On Want decades ago and he was definitely teetotal then. I think it's most probably Labour sour grapes.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't much like Galloway as his biggest agenda has always been himself, but the recent 'Galloway is a drinker' smear is just that though, a smear. I worked for War On Want decades ago and he was definitely teetotal then. I think it's most probably Labour sour grapes.

It was him suggesting that the labour candidate drinks, not labour suggesting that he does. (Not that i care but i have seen him drinking and drunk at a meeting and geri knows from an MP he shared an office with that he used - doesn't mean he does now though, as i said - don't care either way).

 

[Mrs Magpie]

It was him suggesting that the labour candidate drinks, not labour suggesting that he does.

I've seen otherwise on the net, maybe as a counter-smear?

 

[butchersapron]

I've seen otherwise on the net, maybe as a counter-smear?

Well, i've not seen or heard any suggestions it was both ways - doesn't mean it didn't happen. Galloway did it in Bow as well i think - again, might have been a response to labour.

 

[belboid]

yeah it was, supposedly, a response to smears put out by (or on behalf of) the labour candidate

 

[butchersapron]

I note your 'supposedly'? Sceptical?

 

[belboid]

me? sceptical? never! I wouldnt put it past GG to make it up, but I wouldnt put it past Labour to do in the first place, either.

 

[Lock&Light]

What you mean like leader writers for the Telegraph and Mail, who've published articles critical of them
Or the core supporters that polling shows are angered by the budget.
Idiot, you've not a clue.

Please yourself.

 

[manny-p]

Pakistani and Muslim aren' interchangeable.

They pretty much are in bradford.

 

[Ranbay]

EDL gona do a demo init... he's a traitor init.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[Fisher_Gate]

There was an excellent debate on Radio 4 'Women's Hour' today between Salma Yaqoob and New Labour toady Meg Hillier. The presenter started off trying to make it about Yvette Cooper's stupid comments on Andrew Marr's about Labour 'losing touch with muslim women'. Within about 60 seconds Salma had refused to debate it on those 'patronising' terms and turned it into a debate about class politics and Labour's abandonment of support for working class communities, using tuition fees and EMA as an example. She also branded Labour as 'Austerity-lite'. Meg Hillier was humiliated and didn't know what to say, while the presenter tried to say "We're not turning this programme into the 'Respect Appreciation Society'" and curtail the debate.

I thought it was excellent that Salma refused to follow the terms of the corner they were trying to box her into and turned it around class and policy.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

There was an excellent debate on Radio 4 'Women's Hour' today between Salma Yaqoob and New Labour toady Meg Hillier. The presenter started off trying to make it about Yvette Cooper's stupid comments on Andrew Marr's about Labour 'losing touch with muslim women'. Within about 60 seconds Salma had refused to debate it on those 'patronising' terms and turned it into a debate about class politics and Labour's abandonment of support for working class communities, using tuition fees and EMA as an example. She also branded Labour as 'Austerity-lite'. Meg Hillier was humiliated and didn't know what to say, while the presenter tried to say "We're not turning this programme into the 'Respect Appreciation Society'" and curtail the debate.

I thought it was excellent that Salma refused to follow the terms of the corner they were trying to box her into and turned it around class and policy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01f5lcj/Womans_Hour_The_Undateable/

Starts at 17:40