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Galloway returns to Parliament in sensational win in Bradford West - Labour/Coalition smashed

Attack Morgan and you have Engels on the floor.

Fools rush in where Engels feared to tread.

Morgan wasn't a bad guy, he was just unable to break fully with the paradigm of earlier 19th century anthropology, with its baggage of racism, unilineal cultural evolution etc. He did advocate giving the Native Americans their own state in the USA, with an elected congressman etc. Which at the time was very "out there" as a proposal.
 
Very much doubt that campaigning for the Labour Party to commit itself in its next manifesto to nationalise the top 200 companies would galvanise working class voters.

In the meantime I was encouraged to see the Socialist Party's third period Trostkyism embrace Galloway's victory in Bradford.Tony Mulhearn informed the attentive masses:



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Quick. It's the upturn!
 
That's your basis for claiming an anti-labour victory was really a victory for your pro-labour politics?
You are one disingenuous motherfucker, I'll hand that to you.

Saying that they're traitors? Attacking the whole approach of they've nowhere else to go - as you have done on this thread - somehow justifies your craven pro-labour approach?
His orientation is clearly to shock Labour into reversing its NL neoliberal drift. He's right to attack the recent trajectory of the party, and would be warmly applauded by a section of Labour party members and activists for his arguments (though not necessarily his tactics, but since he was expelled this decision was made for him).

But is he saying "Labour is irretrievably dead"? No - he's saying the opposite. "I care about the Labour party...Labour must..Labour has to."
He's saying there is no real difference between the 3 parties at present, but clearly does think the Labour (unlike the Tories and LDs) has become detached from its core purpose in doing so.
 
Yeah, and he's living in the past and a fantasy land - the same as you. But you think he's wrong. But what he says is right and what you were saying all along.
 
Yeah, and he's living in the past and a fantasy land - the same as you. But you think he's wrong. But what he says is right and what you were saying all along.
I think what he's aiming to achieve is relevant, and I hope it has some effect in the direction he intends but I don't think his approach is the "one true path" to achieving it. In fact I think it has a number of potential drawbacks.
 
Which is why he's right in agreeing with you. What are the drawbacks in the aim to make labour a really great working class party then?
 
Galloway is an egotist opportunist whose methods have tended to polarise opinion on ethnic lines (and I accept there may be elements to which this latest campaign cuts across any simple communalist appeal - but nevertheless I don't think the his general approach and track record is likely to unite w/c opinion on a political basis, quite the opposite). But in the sense that he sees the fight for the future direction of Labour as a strategically critical task, he's right to that extent.

The predecessors of TUSC banged the same drum when Ken Livingstone got elected as independent mayor of London. I don't see Galloway being readmitted anytime soon. But it's more that kind of thing.
 
already some twats on Facebook going on about his BB appearance , i just replied "even if he did pop idol wearing a nappy he would still have more credibility than the 3 Tory parties"
 
Ha! Excellent result, I dunno what he stands for but its one in the eye for cunts. Tbf, if this shock result was a far right candidate we would be receiving this this much less favourably. :D

though i dunno , there's a lot on here who seem to hate other left factions more than the nazis themselves!
 
We've gone through this - I'm under no illusions about the difficulty of the left seizing control of the Labour party machine. But I do think that at the very least the growth and influence of a socialist left inside the party could help to force the leadership towards a more traditionally social democratic position, and in the process develop its own forces so any future realignment on left forces would have more weight to them.
 
We've gone through this - I'm under no illusions about the difficulty of the left seizing control of the Labour party machine. But I do think that at the very least the growth and influence of a socialist left inside the party could help to force the leadership towards a more traditionally social democratic position, and in the process develop its own forces so any future realignment on left forces would have more weight to them.


i do think this is a good result cos it will at least have the careerist bastards thinking , hang on a minute we aren't guaranteed the vote and may actually have to do something for the working class as well as the middle class
 
We've gone through this - I'm under no illusions about the difficulty of the left seizing control of the Labour party machine. But I do think that at the very least the growth and influence of a socialist left inside the party could help to force the leadership towards a more traditionally social democratic position, and in the process develop its own forces so any future realignment on left forces would have more weight to them.
Do you know how mealy mouthed and pathetic this sounds? This golden vision? This idiocy? You are under many illusions if you think this is likely possible or achievable - you know as well as i do that it's bollocks. Hence the only practical expression of it being vote labour we're shit.
 
Galloway is an egotist opportunist whose methods have tended to polarise opinion on ethnic lines (and I accept there may be elements to which this latest campaign cuts across any simple communalist appeal - but nevertheless I don't think the his general approach and track record is likely to unite w/c opinion on a political basis, quite the opposite). But in the sense that he sees the fight for the future direction of Labour as a strategically critical task, he's right to that extent.

The predecessors of TUSC banged the same drum when Ken Livingstone got elected as independent mayor of London. I don't see Galloway being readmitted anytime soon. But it's more that kind of thing.

does he really though? he's been expelled for the party and spends most of the time demanding the arrest of its former prime minister, etc.
 
Do you know how mealy mouthed and pathetic this sounds? This golden vision?
This idiocy? You are under many illusions if you think this is likely possible or achievable - you know as well as i do that it's bollocks.
I don't know that at all. I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say it was "likely" but it's certainly possible. And yes it would only represent a moderate step forward and beg a whole series of other questions. But at least there is the prospect of some kind of dynamic opening up.

Hence the only practical expression of it being vote labour we're shit.
The practical expression is fight for a Labour party worth voting for (as a first step...)
 
does he really though? he's been expelled for the party and spends most of the time demanding the arrest of its former prime minister, etc.
have you heard his speech I linked to above - he makes it clear that he puts Labour in a different category to the Lib Dems/Tories, and makes a series of claims about what it "must" do, and "has" to do. What other conclusion could you draw? (hence earning him the ire of the WRP for being a "reformist" :facepalm:)
 
Guys, why are you even bothering to engage with articul8's silliness?
why is this silly:
the growth and influence of a socialist left inside the party could help to force the leadership towards a more traditionally social democratic position, and in the process develop its own forces so any future realignment on left forces would have more weight to them.
?
 
have you heard his speech I linked to above - he makes it clear that he puts Labour in a different category to the Lib Dems/Tories, and makes a series of claims about what it "must" do, and "has" to do. What other conclusion could you draw? (hence earning him the ire of the WRP for being a "reformist" :facepalm:)
Remember though, he is wrong, which is why articul8 uses him to illustrate the correctness of his approach.
 
Are you kidding? This nonsense allied to your vote labour because we're shit slogan and the analysis it fits into is pretty silly.
I've never said "vote Labour because we're shit" - that is your stupid caricature. And what specifically is so stupid about believing that the Labour leadership can be pressured into a more traditional social democratic approach, especially in circumstances where it's so dependent on union funds?
 
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