Yes. But. Before the guy was bitten by Dog 2 he goads Dog 1 and appears to advance towards it offering his arm for lunch. The handler of Dog 1 manages to control the slavering beast, then Dog 2 shoots in from the left and this time the protester's arm is within range. I agree that Dog 2 should have been better controlled, but it looks to me as if the protester really did want to be bitten. He seemed very proud of his wound.
G20: Getting to the truth- the death of Ian Tomlinson RIP
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Yes. But. Before the guy was bitten by Dog 2 he goads Dog 1 and appears to advance towards it offering his arm for lunch. The handler of Dog 1 manages to control the slavering beast, then Dog 2 shoots in from the left and this time the protester's arm is within range. I agree that Dog 2 should have been better controlled, but it looks to me as if the protester really did want to be bitten. He seemed very proud of his wound.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Which will definitely need treatment, including stitches, and possibly physio amongst other things.
Are the filth picking up any of the tab for the injuries they've caused?
Corax
Luke 5:16
So the IPCC were refused access to the original post mortem
Why so mad? The pathologist was told that there was nothing suspicious about the death, so there was no need for the IPCC to be present.
What on earth could be wrong with that?
Why so mad? The pathologist was told that there was nothing suspicious about the death, so there was no need for the IPCC to be present.
What on earth could be wrong with that?
Just because it's another piece of evidence of a cover up imo. Assuming it was the pathologst that refused the IPCC's request, why would he take that stance? The original pathologist hardly has an unblemished record in police investigations.
cesare
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I know they're not randomly savage. But there's a combination of training, instinct and control/lack going on here.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I think they reported that the coroner had refused the IPCC access to the first post mortem. I can't imagine that they physically wanted to attend the cutting up of the body, so does this mean that they didn't have access to the full report - only what the coroner/Met said it contained?
There is a contradiction in the press reports from last week, saying that the post mortem reported no cuts and bruises, and some of the more recent ones that hint that the first report noted "injuries".
Interesting qualification in the first reports "no signs of cuts or bruises to his head or shoulders". Who was interpreting the post mortem for the media and the IPCC?
Corax
Luke 5:16
Why so mad? The pathologist was told that there was nothing suspicious about the death, so there was no need for the IPCC to be present.
What on earth could be wrong with that?
Sorry Smurker, I should have ended that post with
Corax
Luke 5:16
Nope, specifically mentioned that they had not been told who the instruction came from.
Edit: ymu remembers differently. I'm not 100%.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Brilliantly dead-pan comparison of the two pathologists by the Graun:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/18/ian-tomlinson-postmortem-doctors
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/18/ian-tomlinson-postmortem-doctors
Sorry Smurker, I should have ended that post with
This whole situation gets me a bit confused, i can't tell truth from lies anymore, let alone spot a bit of sarcasm!
The news article is now on C4's website http://www.channel4.com/news/
From the report...
The IPCC did not attend the first PM because the Coroner was advised that there was nothing suspicious in the death. There was apparently a CoL Police Officer present at the PM but neither that Force nor the Met will answer any questions so they don't now know who advised the Coroner
That's the one positive thing (I hope.) Had Tomlinson not died the climate camp violence would have been brushed under the carpet, the papers would have ignored Ms Fisher and the lasting image of the demo would have been the RBS trashing. So Tomlinson, who didn't even want to be there, is something of a martyr. He's getting much more respect now than when he was alive.
Brother Mouzone
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goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
The issue is also that the same group of officers were involved in at least three attacks in the space of 4-5 minutes. The second CP788 dog attack video was timed at 7.16pm (Threadneedle St, near Royal Exchange), the first attack on Ian Tomlinson must have taken place shortly after as it occurred at the Threadneedle St end of Royal Exchange, with the second assault on Ian Tomlinson videoed at 7.20pm (other end of Royal Exchange) - with CP788 present.
It's not some guy losing control of his dog. It's an out of control group of officers.
Has this man come forward? He was standing right next to the officer that clobbered Ian Tomlinson
http://www.flickr.com/photos/twothumbsfresh/3433241438/
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Probably.A lot of the reports when officers first started identifying themselves implied that they were all CoLP. The CoLP officers in the video mostly have their faces uncovered, so they'd be forced to come forward - and it's the Met in the frame for the assault. It certainly seemed like the Met officers involved were staying quiet early on.Has this man come forward? He was standing right next to the officer that clobbered Ian Tomlinsonhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/twothumbsfresh/3433241438/
Bristle seems to think he's been identified here, but I think he's omitted to put the badge number in - "D1" is the code used to track him in the video footage.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Well, there is clearly some kind of control being exercised; witness the senior officer wandering about during the excesses of the 'dog attack' incident, the public order specialists of the FIT apparently providing some degree of operational direction in both the Tomlinson and dog attack videos, the senior officers ignoring the disproportionate and indiscriminate violence of 'designated hitter' 'Sergeant Backhander' AB42, the senior officers citing law inappropriately to journalists and protesters, that such an indiscriminate and (when considered rationally) tactic as kettling forms a central plank of public order policing, and so on.
Have you missed an adjective here, or ams I being stupid?
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