Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
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G20: Getting to the truth- the death of Ian Tomlinson RIP
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any medical types on here?
magneze
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The ITN footage definitely confirms the batton and they also say that their own crew were hit in a separate incident.
All the news media have picked this up - even the Daily Mail is running with the story that Tomlinson was attacked _twice_.
The police are a national disgrace, no amount of spin will get them out of this one.
All the news media have picked this up - even the Daily Mail is running with the story that Tomlinson was attacked _twice_.
The police are a national disgrace, no amount of spin will get them out of this one.
ska invita
back on the other side
Does this twice refer to an attack before the one shown, of which footage has yet to appear, or twice as in the batton attack and the push?
well red
Ruder Than You
Are FIT the only ones who wear the blue bibs? I thought senior officers wore them too. There are a lot of blue bibs around when the assault happens, none of them has any camera or recording equipment but they all have NATO helmets on and several of them are carrying batons.
@ ska
I think it's twice as in he was hit with a baton before the baton/push incident on the grauniad vid
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-faces-claims-attacked-TWICE-riot-police.html
I think it's twice as in he was hit with a baton before the baton/push incident on the grauniad vid
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-faces-claims-attacked-TWICE-riot-police.html
maomao
普費斯
How does that make you feel about your employers?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
A separate, earlier, attack on him - its number 3 ('7.15') in this interactive thing off the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2009/apr/08/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Ch4 confirm with evidence that demonstrators let the ambulance through without delay. The police did not. More criminal activity. More menaces to pursue.
Callie
Pivoting
I think even if there was it would all be purely speculation.
Sadly I'm not sure that this will get the entire police force labelled as thugs in the eyes of the general public. The policeman that commited the act will be offered up for slaughter, the rest will get off scot free.
Now is the time for those with footage or accounts of specific incidents where the police used unreasonable force to come forward. As many people as possible should be aware of what goes on at protests and demos so they think twice before labelling protesters as the violent ones.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Fucking pigs - I keep trying not to look at this thread cos it makes me so fucking angry
We're all extremely angry. But we must be rational too. We can not go on future demos without being better prepared to defend our collective health and safety.
that's the same footage as the grauniad, but from a different angle/location, i think
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
this looks like the 2nd attack - the 2nd clip they refer to is another angle on the original guardian clip. AFAIK, no film of the first attack has come out (yet) - though there are witness statements.
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
I believe so.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The footage that caused the media storm? Rather than the fact that he knew the assault had happened, as did his colleagues nearby, but said nothing for nearly a week?
Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Ah ok. Confusing to say the least!
Have a look at this sequence of stills from the Ian Tomlinson assault video. Does it look to you like the officer in the hi-viz jacket with blue flashing - possibly a FIT cop - kicks or prods Ian Tomlinson with his foot as he lies prone on the ground?
Many officers who were present at the assault that may have led to Ian Tomlinson’s death have not come forward to speak with the Independent Police Complaints Commission. The suspicion lingers that none would have come forward had video footage of Ian Tomlinson being battered to the ground by a policeman been released by a newspaper six full days after he died.
That the IPCC initially called in the City of London Police to investigate the death of Ian Tomlinson - despite CoL cops being a large part of the G20 policing operation - did nothing to inspire public confidence in the objectivity and thoroughness of the enquiry.
The subsequent emergence of the video - in which City of London police officers are clearly visible, witnessing the assault on Ian Tomlinson - only helped to fan the flames of anger and distrust.
The IPCC has now pulled the CoL cops off the investigation. But is that enough to convince people that this will not be a sham, a whitewash, a cover-up?
http://bristle.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/policing-by-consent-2009-style-a-kick-to-a-dying-man/
Many officers who were present at the assault that may have led to Ian Tomlinson’s death have not come forward to speak with the Independent Police Complaints Commission. The suspicion lingers that none would have come forward had video footage of Ian Tomlinson being battered to the ground by a policeman been released by a newspaper six full days after he died.
That the IPCC initially called in the City of London Police to investigate the death of Ian Tomlinson - despite CoL cops being a large part of the G20 policing operation - did nothing to inspire public confidence in the objectivity and thoroughness of the enquiry.
The subsequent emergence of the video - in which City of London police officers are clearly visible, witnessing the assault on Ian Tomlinson - only helped to fan the flames of anger and distrust.
The IPCC has now pulled the CoL cops off the investigation. But is that enough to convince people that this will not be a sham, a whitewash, a cover-up?
http://bristle.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/policing-by-consent-2009-style-a-kick-to-a-dying-man/
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
From that angle, it does, but we'd need to see it from another angle too, to know the distance. He could be some way behind Tomlinson.
editor
hiraethified
The more people and independent agencies that get involved, the harder it is to cover up the truth.
There's obviously still plenty of scope for arse-covering, rank closing and sleight of hand, but sometimes the legal system does work (perhaps I have a little more faith than you after personally going through an Old Bailey trial and finding the judge to be extremely fair when faced with dodgy police evidence).
Were they CoL cops in that incident though? From what i saw on the day, CoL were hugely outnumbered by the Met and the riot police in the vid all seem to have MP on their helmets (i.e. Met Police). There seem to be a few CoL standing around there (red and white checked pattern on their caps) but the ones in riot gear seem to be Met.
Not that that makes any difference as to the investigation: CoL, by their presence on the day, would not be impartial (nor would Hampshire/Sussex for the same reason)
One positive light from this mess is the speed with which the facts have unravelled with what i see as zero help from those 'in charge' of policing the events. I sincerely hope the 1st attack as witnessed by people there is still on the relevant cctc and police recordings. The Guardian deserve a pat on the back imo.
I won't post it here as i don't want to divert the thread, but Jenney Jones, a member of the met police authority has been making comments about Kettling that i fund interesting. See thread below.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=285371
I won't post it here as i don't want to divert the thread, but Jenney Jones, a member of the met police authority has been making comments about Kettling that i fund interesting. See thread below.
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=285371
From that sequence of stills - yes. But after watching the vid again - no.
There's no point adding pure speculation to this.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
The thug responsible is unlikely to have known that the dead man was (one of) the guy(s and gals) s/he assaulted until pictures of Tomlinson were released. After that, there's no way s/he didn't know that s/he had attacked Tomlinson that day - he was very distinctive looking and not obscured by a mass of people at the time.
The groups present on that day need to submit their own complaints to the IPCC - and individuals too, of course, but it would have a lot of power if the larger organisations organising protests that day requested that the scope be extended to all incidents of unprovoked police thuggery that day. No doubt they're on the case. It is pure chance that Tomlinson died and noone else did. At least half the officers policing that area must have been shitting themselves when they heard that the guy had been assaulted before his death. Except that they wouldn't be because they'd know that nothing would happen anyway...
And that's the point. It's about time they were forcefully reminded that they are not above the law and that an awful lot of middle England won't be quite so naive and trusting the next time they try to lie their way out.
RIP Ian.
The groups present on that day need to submit their own complaints to the IPCC - and individuals too, of course, but it would have a lot of power if the larger organisations organising protests that day requested that the scope be extended to all incidents of unprovoked police thuggery that day. No doubt they're on the case. It is pure chance that Tomlinson died and noone else did. At least half the officers policing that area must have been shitting themselves when they heard that the guy had been assaulted before his death. Except that they wouldn't be because they'd know that nothing would happen anyway...
And that's the point. It's about time they were forcefully reminded that they are not above the law and that an awful lot of middle England won't be quite so naive and trusting the next time they try to lie their way out.
RIP Ian.
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