Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Guardian CiF makes for interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson?commentpage=1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson?commentpage=1
G20: Getting to the truth- the death of Ian Tomlinson RIP
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Barking_Mad
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Linked on the CiF website is this footage of a NYPD officer taking out a critical mass bicylist: Jesus fooking Christ.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/officer-who-attacked-cyclist-charged.php
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/officer-who-attacked-cyclist-charged.php
*Total speculation warning*
I'm now wondering whether this *might* have been the same officer shown in the video. Maybe some earlier 'issue' (as described by the report above), officer and his mate denumber, mask up, ready to prove a point that they think they'd failed to make a few minutes earlier?
Total speculation on my part.
Even if the two events were unconnected, the video is clear about the incident. There's no mob, no visible threat at all. The man hasn't "only just" turned his back on the officer. There's nothing I can see in the video that's mitigating at all.
I think one would need alot more info, and medical qualifications I certainly don't have, to positively link it all the way to his death, but it's difficult to see anything less than assault with the very limited info we have. (And I'm not suggesting then, that it should be left at that, BTW).
editor
hiraethified
Yep. It's part of a feature which is seriously questioning the police version of events. There is clearly nothing in the man's behaviour that warrants the violent police response.
maomao
普費斯
Fucking hell. That's just fucking vicious.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Wasnt that on here a while back?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
yes and its all a bit pointless and distracting on a thread about Ian Tomlinson's death and the police's role, whatever that appears to be. so i don't think we should allow the discussion to be dragged into completely unrelated areas.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Fair enough, wasnt me who posted it.
Garcia Lorca
Anger can be power
ive just watched the slowmotion again, probably for the last time for a while. its actually really really fcking disturbing. He was showing no threat at all, there was clearly a baton to his leg, then a push that resulted in a fall that appears as tho his head strikes the concrete.
You see him sitting up trying to probably ask officers what they were doing as he is just trying to get home.. (okay ive no way of proving that, but open hand jestures etc)..
watching someone innocent trying to get home, showing no threat at all.. their last fcking seconds. to be let down by the police like that ... it makes you mad.
lets see what "justice" comes of this.
disgraceful.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
no i know, i was just making the point is all.
Barking_Mad
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apologies........
How many cops saw what happened, and said nothing, did nothing, condemned this man to death? One of them seems to be a FIT copper - can anyone identify them? http://bristle.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blogg20witnessoraccessory.jpg
Garcia Lorca
Anger can be power
How many cops saw what happened, and said nothing, did nothing, condemned this man to death? One of them seems to be a FIT copper - can anyone identify them? http://bristle.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blogg20witnessoraccessory.jpg
need a higher res image than that
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Stephen Moss, staff writer at the Guardian just posted this.....
What the fuck?
I think a BBC bombardment is due....
What the fuck?
I think a BBC bombardment is due....
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Right, posted this about in a few place. I read sky covered it as a lead story tonight. Leaving this now as it's far too depressing...that poor guys family.
xes
F.O.A.D
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
They almost got away with brushing this under the carpet... they were about to declare the investigation done and dusted just 48 hours after it happened...
xes
F.O.A.D
they would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't have been for those pesky kids.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
How many cops saw what happened, and said nothing, did nothing, condemned this man to death? One of them seems to be a FIT copper - can anyone identify them? http://bristle.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blogg20witnessoraccessory.jpg
Lets wait until we find out what the IPCC have found out before condemning people, shall we? As for him being a FIT cop, I doubt it - his colleagues seem really poorly equipped, as if they have only kitted up from spare gear.
Barking Mad said:
Its shabby if they did do that, but as I posted at the time Sky News did trail a report along these lines about two hours before they actually showed it, you dont know what terms the Guardian actually put on its use or whether there were legal issues involved.
Also, I have said this before but it is deeply misleading for them to claim the Met span a web of lies around this - unless they have access to other info that has not been reported. Certainly Paul Lewis' article only mentions that the Met didnt mention it at the time, which as has been mentioned could easily be because they didnt know.
Barking_Mad
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That fucking police patsy Daniel Sandford has just been on the BBC saying that the footage "raises arkward questions"
What a cunt.
What a cunt.
The IPCC have the City Police investigating it (they are the guys with the red bands on their caps in the video)
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
At the moment, yes. As I said above I would question whether thats appropriate, unless they know it was a Met officer involved.
Nice to see where the TV license is going.
Treacle Toes
Time
The establishment are all over this one. A friend of mine posted a link to the gaurdian story and vid on facebook. It has now curiously disappeared! 
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