Fuck Gentrification - Join the Fuck Parade...Part 3!

[free spirit]

if you have to ask the questions there's little chance you understanding the answers.

Alternatively I might just think the rationale is complete bollocks.

 

[8den]

As I said earlier on this thread, if course it's publicity for the sake of publicity! It's the putting on of a spectacle to get people - those people who can think beyond "evil anarchists attacking poor little working class shop-owners" - talking about what motivated the spectacle - gentrification in this case.

Bollocks. So what happens if they attack some independent coffee shop that pays its staff well, works with the local community, and generally run by decent people because its "new".

It's pathetic posturing by someone looking for the oxygen of publicity

 

[Pickman's model]

Alternatively I might just think the rationale is complete bollocks.

yeh. i think the two go in tandem.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bollocks. So what happens if they attack some independent coffee shop that pays its staff well, works with the local community, and generally run by decent people because its "new".

It's pathetic posturing by someone looking for the oxygen of publicity

let's cross that stupid hypothetical when we come to it

 

[ViolentPanda]

Bollocks. So what happens if they attack some independent coffee shop that pays its staff well, works with the local community, and generally run by decent people because its "new".

CKC hasn't shown itself to "work well with the local community", and we haven't been privy to what they pay their staff.
Why would they attack "some independent coffee shop" unless it were obviously taking the piss? It's pretty much implicit in the statements that Class War have made that they'll go after piss-takers, not Joe's Coffee Shop that's been serving tea and coffee to locals.
You seem to think there's no strategy in play here. IMO that's a bad mistake to make.

It's pathetic posturing by someone looking for the oxygen of publicity

Your post? I agree.

 

[cesare]

CKC hasn't shown itself to "work well with the local community", and we haven't been privy to what they pay their staff.
Why would they attack "some independent coffee shop" unless it were obviously taking the piss? It's pretty much implicit in the statements that Class War have made that they'll go after piss-takers, not Joe's Coffee Shop that's been serving tea and coffee to locals.
You seem to think there's no strategy in play here. IMO that's a bad mistake to make.



Your post? I agree.

I've just read an article somewhere (sorry, forget where) where one of the owners says that they pay their staff £7 per hour and don't take their tips. By the way. Completely agree with the ridiculous leap of Cereal Killer bit of paint to going after Joe's greasy spoon. Bloody stupid comment to make.

 

[The Flying Pig]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

gangs are always of four.

 

[Citizen66]

Are individuals who have exercised right to buy fair game for direct action CW protests?
Are all private home owners fair game?

The last couple of gentrification threads here have tended to focus on small vs large business, marx's terminology of the classes and the economics of a bowl of cerial.

Surely the more pressing issue driving gentrification is the direct relationship: private housing vs social housing, not the indirect relationship of: a shop that (supposedly) caters for the "gentrifiers" vs "working class" employee.

Please tell me you're not this obtuse. I can't keep up with some of the intellectuals on here but fucking hell. It's been explained repeatedly in baby terms.

 

[pocketscience]

Please tell me you're not this obtuse. I can't keep up with some of the intellectuals on here but fucking hell. It's been explained repeatedly in baby terms.

what has?

 

[Citizen66]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

I've probably met some of these imaginary people you're on about. Why did you lie earlier and claim you were going to meet me when no such arrangement exists? Are you special branch?

 

[Citizen66]

what has?

Your misunderstandings.

 

[pocketscience]

my misunderstandings have been explained in baby terms?
wtf are you on about?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

Off you fuck.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

.

 

[Citizen66]

my misunderstandings have been explained in baby terms?
wtf are you on about?

Wtf has owning a home - which the working class have been manoeuvred into by politics from above - got to do with their social position or relationship with Capital or the means of production? Oh, they own an asset! It means jack shit with what you're claiming though,

 

[The Flying Pig]

I've probably met some of these imaginary people you're on about. Why did you lie earlier and claim you were going to meet me when no such arrangement exists? Are you special branch?

No I think you know as well as I do you have met all of them in your mind, split as it maybe. I will be meeting all five of you in the near future, or have you already decided to stand me up on the date you suggested. You are just too weird for me.

 

[stethoscope]

But clearly not as weird as you. "Ninja's".

 

[pocketscience]

Wtf has owning a home - which the working class have been manoeuvred into by politics from above

A lot of self employed and small business owners would argue the same thing.

- got to do with their social position or relationship with Capital or the means of production? Oh, they own an asset! It means jack shit with what you're claiming though,

Why do you keep going on about the means of production yet you deride the issue of private housing (paricularly RTB) over social housing, on a thread about gentrification?
Social cleansing through social housing reduction has been mentioned. Now it's taboo to ask if home-owners, particularly those that partook in the rush to buy cheep council gaffs, could be targeted by CW as well?

 

[Citizen66]

No I think you know as well as I do you have met all of them in your mind, split as it maybe. I will be meeting all five of you in the near future, or have you already decided to stand me up on the date you suggested. You are just too weird for me.

What date was suggested?

 

[Citizen66]

A lot of self employed and small business owners would argue the same thing.

Why do you keep going on about the means of production yet you deride the issue of private housing (paricularly RTB) over social housing, on a thread about gentrification?
Social cleansing through social housing reduction has been mentioned. Now it's taboo to ask if home-owners, particularly those that partook in the rush to buy cheep council gaffs, could be targeted by CW as well?

How does owning your own home exploit other people for profit? If you rent it out you're a landlord. But is that what most people do beyond needing somewhere to fucking live?

 

[stethoscope]

Is it fallacy and non sequitur week or something and I didn't get the memo?

 

[Blagsta]

I have deduced that the gang of five who try to bully and intimidate people on this forum are one and the same person. Most probably a troll or undercover old bill, an agent provocateur or just bored old grumpy git sitting at home with nothing better to do. Either way I am going out in the real world to do something constructive, something that is somewhat different to the search and destroy mentality of some of the gang of five.

 

[Citizen66]

No I think you know as well as I do you have met all of them in your mind, split as it maybe. I will be meeting all five of you in the near future, or have you already decided to stand me up on the date you suggested. You are just too weird for me.

I suggested the bookfair. If you're genuine antifa I'm sure it'll all get smoothed over. Perhaps you'll want to flex your muscles over antifa? Not very comradely. If you're a fascist cunt it'll be different. But stop pretending we've arranged something.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suggested the bookfair. If you're genuine antifa I'm sure it'll all get smoothed over. Perhaps you'll want to flex your muscles over antifa? Not very comradely. If you're a fascist cunt it'll be different. But stop pretending we've arranged something.

we've arranged you'll be at the bookfair and fp won't.

 

[Citizen66]

A lot of self employed and small business owners would argue the same thing.

Why do you keep going on about the means of production yet you deride the issue of private housing (paricularly RTB) over social housing, on a thread about gentrification?
Social cleansing through social housing reduction has been mentioned. Now it's taboo to ask if home-owners, particularly those that partook in the rush to buy cheep council gaffs, could be targeted by CW as well?

Because the wc not demanding private housing.

 

[Citizen66]

we've arranged you'll be at the bookfair and fp won't.

He'll be easily recognisable too by his Stone Isand chinos and Adidas Samba.

 

[pocketscience]

How does owning your own home exploit other people for profit? If you rent it out you're a landlord. But is that what most people do beyond needing somewhere to fucking live?

Jeeezus, you seem to be obsessed with "exploiting people for profit". This is a thread about a protest that's intention was to highlight the issue of gentrification, and we're discussing that right? I'm not denying that "exploiting people for profit" has something to do with gentrification, but there are are other factors as well, you know. Like the eradication of affordable housing - who's main driver is people that have bought into the private housing market and want to see the prices of their "investments" increase by clearing the riff raff etc.

 

[8den]

CKC hasn't shown itself to "work well with the local community", and we haven't been privy to what they pay their staff.
Why would they attack "some independent coffee shop" unless it were obviously taking the piss? It's pretty much implicit in the statements that Class War have made that they'll go after piss-takers, not Joe's Coffee Shop that's been serving tea and coffee to locals.
You seem to think there's no strategy in play here. IMO that's a bad mistake to make.



Your post? I agree.

I'm going on Bones comments. Ive not seen the statement from class war. To clarify why hasn't CKC worked well with the local community?

 

[8den]

Jeeezus, you seem to be obsessed with "exploiting people for profit". This is a thread about a protest that's intention was to highlight the issue of gentrification, and we're discussing that right? I'm not denying that "exploiting people for profit" has something to do with gentrification, but there are are other factors as well, you know. Like the eradication of affordable housing - who's main driver is people that have bought into the private housing market and want to see the prices of their "investments" increase by clearing the riff raff etc.

We dont seem to be talking about gentrification we seem to be talking about class war.