Freeman-on-the-land idiocies

[Storm Fox]

I watched a YouTube video of a SovCit trying the 'I, wasn't driving, I was travelling shit' as he didn't have a license. So the judge was patient up to a point, then told the SovCit has wasn't allow to drive or travel. So a lot worse than if they'd just STFU in the first place.

You don't need a license to travel you need a license to operate complex machinery that is capable of moving at high speeds.

 

[NoXion]

"It's not a car, it's a cOnVeYaNcE!"

It's not a fine, it's a compulsory wealth adjustment. It's not a prison sentence, it's a mandatory confinement.

 

[BigMoaner]

 

[DaveCinzano]

Noel Edmonds would be proud

 

[editor]

This council even dedicated a whole page to these fucking morons

The freeman on the land movement and similar groups commonly believe that people are only bound by the contracts and laws to which they have consented. However, contract law and alleged rights under common law are not the same as legislation relating to the administration and collection of council tax.

You do not have a choice as to whether you are liable for council tax and being a ‘freeman’ does not exempt anyone from paying council tax.

In the UK, liability for council tax is determined by the Local Government Finance Act 1992. This statute, created by a democratically elected Parliament of the United Kingdom which has received the assent of the Crown, and subsequent statutory regulations, sets out a local authority’s duty to demand council tax as well as setting out who is liable to pay.

Your liability for council tax is not dependent upon, and does not require, your consent or the existence of any contractual relationship with the Council. Any such assertion to the contrary is incorrect and there is no legal basis upon which to make this argument.

Anyone who withholds payment of council tax will have recovery action taken against them.

In extreme cases this could even lead to court proceedings, or even a prison sentence, as in the Manchester Magistrates’ Court vs McKenzie (2015) case, where an individual who attempted to use similar ‘freeman on the land’ defences in court ended up in prison for 40 days.

Very occasionally we get people who are convinced that using an archaic law means they don’t have to pay council tax and there are many misleading articles and templates on the internet regarding the legality of council tax. Anyone drawing on these for advice should exercise caution and seek proper legal advice before using them as a defence against council tax liability based on contract, consent and common law.

While we do our best to answer all relevant enquiries about council tax, we reserve the right to refuse to respond to lengthy spurious enquiries that focus on hypothetical arguments that have no basis in statute which use our resources at the expense of other taxpayers.

Freemen on the Land - Gedling Borough Council

www.gedling.gov.uk

 

[Idaho]

The algorithms keep giving me endless FotL and flat earth debunkers. I'm finding it depressing. I'm not sure that the debunking works and wonder if it just entrenches the nonsense.

It's also a shame that FotL dominates the political space that should and could have a lot of interesting discussions about individual liberty, law, etc.

 

[Poot]

What I can tell you from a personal perspective is that these people are draining. They're emotional vampires. He has used up every reserve I have and I actually feel quite bereft, like an empty sadness. It's horrible.

 

[T & P]

The algorithms keep giving me endless FotL and flat earth debunkers. I'm finding it depressing. I'm not sure that the debunking works and wonder if it just entrenches the nonsense.

It's also a shame that FotL dominates the political space that should and could have a lot of interesting discussions about individual liberty, law, etc.

I suspect that's chiefly because FotL twats don't actually give two shits about the individual liberty of others. All they really care about is trying to weasel out of paying taxes, contributing towards society, or being punished for any wrongdoing they might do. They're fucking selfish greedy misanthorpe cunts, nothing more than that.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I suspect that's chiefly because FotL twats don't actually give two shits about the individual liberty of others. All they really care about is trying weasel out of paying taxes, contributing towards society, and being punished for any wrongdoing they might do. They're fucking selfish greedy misanthorpe cunts, nothing more than that.

I think in general they absolutely love the idea of everyone else being oppressed. Enhances that feeling of being special.

 

[A380]

That's the Full Fat Rabit hole right there, isn't it. Premier League loon scape. Absoloutly captured by every loon angle going. and we are the brainwashed ones, of course.
taken from above

• We are bombarded with propaganda via mainstream media telling us unbelievable things are true, when we can see and know the opposite is in fact true.
• We have been fooled with covid-1984, where our human rights and freedoms have been stolen under the guise of the covid hoax.
• Criminally corrupt politicians have repeatedly voted in covid restrictions, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that these are completely unnecessary, and cause more harm and death than save lives.
• Politicians, corporations and the military are increasingly, and suspiciously, in cahoots, ushering in a controlled, surveilled, totalitarian future for ordinary people.
• Greedy banksters have created money out of thin air and keep us in debt slavery for most of our lives, profiting off us and getting richer, while ordinary people struggle to survive in this rigged system.
• Big Pharma, with the backing of governments and ‘friends’ in high places, are intent on injecting you with multiple DNA-altering, sterilizing vaccines and pumping you full of harmful medicines which will maim or kill many of us while they profit.

One out of six ain’t bad. Stopped clock and that…

 

[Karl Masks]

What does that document actually say? Could be a fucking swimming certificate for all I can tell

 

[platinumsage]

What does that document actually say? Could be a fucking swimming certificate for all I can tell

Probably something like this: The Sovereign State of Fidach - Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right

 

[NoXion]

Apparently according to these idiots, it's not things like serious political connections and/or having more money than you'll ever see in your life that allows one to flout the rules.

The whole system is corrupt and against the ordinary person, but if you say the right magic words, that same corrupt and callous system will have no choice but to let you get off Scott-free!

It still boggles my mind how anyone can think like that.

 

[DaveCinzano]

It still boggles my mind how anyone can think like that.

That word must be able to bench press 380 it's doing so much heavy lifting there

 

[BigMoaner]

she talks here about how much of a grafter she is, "set my mind up to achieve anyting" and all that. but she's actually strived and suceeded and grafted her way to looking like an absoloute idiot. most personal graft goes towards something positive, even mildy so - a fitter body, a better bottom line, saving for a holiday. not striving to look like an absoloute lunatic on youtube? these guys!

 

[BigMoaner]

i've just jumped through so many hoops to come across as unsettling.

 

[BigMoaner]

I think in general they absolutely love the idea of everyone else being oppressed. Enhances that feeling of being special.

huge shot of emotional gratification at "seeing through the game".

 

[Storm Fox]

Probably something like this: The Sovereign State of Fidach - Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right

I like this section:

Nothing in this Notice affects my rights to any pension, service or claim and so on, based on contributions currently or previously paid to the United Kingdom,

To paraphrase :

Wibble wiffle waffle, I can do what I like
Give me all the money you, you entities that have no jurisdiction over me
Waffle wiffle wibble, I don't need to register anything like planning permission or to be able to drive or my child's birth.

Idiots

 

[BigMoaner]

I like this section:


To paraphrase :

Wibble wiffle waffle, I can do what I like
Give me all the money you, you entities that have no jurisdiction over me
Waffle wiffle wibble, I don't need to register anything like planning permission or to be able to drive or my child's birth.

Idiots

you could even say it's narcissisim patterned out into pseudo-legalise.

 

[BigMoaner]

also (and i'm also fully aware we can go down the "law is just to protect private capital etc" route) laws can be seen, in many regards, to protect others. You need a license so if you kill someone police can identify you. Etc. This does not seem to concern these people. They're just far too special to stick to things like that.

 

[Idaho]

Maybe I'm too much of a wishy-washy snowflake liberal, but I'm not satisfied with just characterising people who follow FotL stuff as just bad, selfish, stupid, etc. I don't think it's useful in any way. I believe it increases the entrenchment and removes the potential to harness some of the positives that there are from discussions about law and liberty. I think they are ordinary humans who subscribe to a kind of faith. Like most faiths, this also stems from normal, perhaps even reasonable, human motivations.

 

[8ball]

Maybe I'm too much of a wishy-washy snowflake liberal, but I'm not satisfied with just characterising people who follow FotL stuff as just bad, selfish, stupid, etc. I don't think it's useful in any way. I believe it increases the entrenchment and removes the potential to harness some of the positives that there are from discussions about law and liberty. I think they are ordinary humans who subscribe to a kind of faith. Like most faiths, this also stems from normal, perhaps even reasonable, human motivations.

Some are also imo people who have noticed that society is entirely based on the absurd "social contract" lie, and are trying to make sense of things.

Why they latch onto something even dumber is the mystery, though.

Aside from the “get free stuff” selling point…

 

[NoXion]

Maybe I'm too much of a wishy-washy snowflake liberal, but I'm not satisfied with just characterising people who follow FotL stuff as just bad, selfish, stupid, etc. I don't think it's useful in any way. I believe it increases the entrenchment and removes the potential to harness some of the positives that there are from discussions about law and liberty. I think they are ordinary humans who subscribe to a kind of faith. Like most faiths, this also stems from normal, perhaps even reasonable, human motivations.

I think the point is that they are already "entrenched". If FOTLers were at all amenable to reason, then they would have already abandoned that bullshit after the second or third time it failed them when dealing with police and the courts, never mind after getting into arguments with other people online. But they don't do that, they instead rationalise away all their lack of success and fruitlessly dig their heels in. Like you say, it's a matter of faith, so why would reason ever work? Faith is literally the suspension of reason.

There are indeed useful discussions to be had about law and liberty, but I don't think FOTLer nonsense is useful even as a starting point, because its fundamental premises are just completely out of whack with how things actually operate.

 

[Storm Fox]

I think the point is that they are already "entrenched". If FOTLers were at all amenable to reason, then they would have already abandoned that bullshit after the second or third time it failed them when dealing with police and the courts, never mind after getting into arguments with other people online. But they don't do that, they instead rationalise away all their lack of success and fruitlessly dig their heels in. Like you say, it's a matter of faith, so why would reason ever work? Faith is literally the suspension of reason.

There are indeed useful discussions to be had about law and liberty, but I don't think FOTLer nonsense is useful even as a starting point, because its fundamental premises are just completely out of whack with how things actually operate.

For a lot of FOTLers it's all about them themselves personally and not the betterment of society.

 

[NoXion]

Aside from the “get free stuff” selling point…

Which is hilarious to me, because Sovereign Citizens are also the guys who will howl about "socialism" when other people propose the most mild of socio-economic reforms. The FOTLer types we get on this side of the pond are better at papering over with vaguely liberal-sounding New Age-y rhetoric, but peel it away and it's the same old selfish individualism underneath.

 

[platinumsage]

Some are also imo people who have noticed that society is entirely based on the absurd "social contract" lie, and are trying to make sense of things.

Why they latch onto something even dumber is the mystery, though.

Aside from the “get free stuff” selling point…

One step up from a child coming out with the classic "I didn't ask to be born" when asked to do something.

 

[BigMoaner]

Maybe I'm too much of a wishy-washy snowflake liberal, but I'm not satisfied with just characterising people who follow FotL stuff as just bad, selfish, stupid, etc. I don't think it's useful in any way. I believe it increases the entrenchment and removes the potential to harness some of the positives that there are from discussions about law and liberty. I think they are ordinary humans who subscribe to a kind of faith. Like most faiths, this also stems from normal, perhaps even reasonable, human motivations.

I agree, us slating them on here is only part of a very complex problem. But a certain vanity is part of that problem, but then I suppose we are all guilty of that sometimes. I still think though lambasting people whose behaviour is clearly idiotic in this way has a certain value - a small perhaps tiny part of the overall solution. When something is clearly wrong it needs to be stated as such with very clear lhard language. We are all lost init but they are even more lost than most it seems so deserve some sympathy and understanding etc I agree

 

[BigMoaner]

I think we would all in person want to help them out of it in a small way

 

[pogofish]

Maybe I'm too much of a wishy-washy snowflake liberal, but I'm not satisfied with just characterising people who follow FotL stuff as just bad, selfish, stupid, etc. I don't think it's useful in any way. I believe it increases the entrenchment and removes the potential to harness some of the positives that there are from discussions about law and liberty. I think they are ordinary humans who subscribe to a kind of faith. Like most faiths, this also stems from normal, perhaps even reasonable, human motivations.

Its not that - Most of the FOTLers I've encountered have been people with a range of very obvious problems/issues, often trying to make sense of or at least assert a level of control over bigger/more confusing set of life-situations than they could otherwise cope with. However, it's the mindset and motivations of the people who are preying on them by encouraging/dragging them down this route.

What drives them..?

 

[BigMoaner]

all and any human behaviour cannot be reduced or explained to calling folk names, like i have these idiots on here but calling folk names is also part of things, i feel. if i steal all the tradesmans tools here at work and they find out and call me a thief, i deserve to be called one. and it's useful i am labelled as such so nobody leaves tools around me at least for a while. there's a utility to it, all though it is only surface deep.