Presumably you'd want to keep the money though? It's yours. You've earned it. If you give it away against your will you could hardly call it a free choice. Your 'decision' in the matter is somewhat constrained. How can you retain your freedom - your ability to make a free choice - here?
freedom or security...
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Well, since i said freedom was taking responsibility for one's own actions, then it would be rather silly of me to criticise him then wouldn't it?
I don't see freedom as something that allows me to impact negatively on anybody, beggar, king, or anyone else.
Freedom in my vision is not about criticising anybody. The moment i do, i have departed from freedom.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Phyrric victory innit? All this 'freedom of the heart and mind' thing is all very well, but quite honestly I'd prefer to be up and walking around...
untethered
For industry & decency
That doesn't sound like freedom to me. Are you free to tell the truth as you see it, good or bad, no matter what the consequences?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
So that would be freedom without the freedom then?
untethered
For industry & decency
It's freedom to do the things that you want to do as long as everyone else is happy for you to do them too.
I feel you are representing the majority viewpoint in britain these days mate. It's all changed since the days of NI and their own bombs. We just got on with life in those days.
My own opinion is that we only achieve meaningful freedom when we give up on the idea/notion/concept of security. Accepting the inherent insecurity of life leads us to a freedom we cannot achieve while chasing the unachievable security.
No money is mine. Money is an illusion, life is real. Life is more important. They want my money? They could kill me? Take the bloody money man!
Anyway, that's one of the reasons i no longer live in britain. The likelihood of this is too much and impacts on my freedom. I was about to be mugged on a trip back there, but i got away with it. I think this was no accident.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Freedom and security are mostly things of the mind!
What might you possibly want to do that you cannot find some way of doing?
No one will prevent you taking some risks with your own life :
- Climbing trees
- Boxing
- Skateboarding
- Sailing
- Round the world sailing
- Motorcycle riding on the dirt or road
- Motorcycle racing on a track
- Cart racing
- Car racing
- Drag racing
- Boat (marine) drag racing
- Chain Sawing
- Bungee jumping
- Go Ape
- Parachuting (static line)
- Free fall parachuting
- Base Jumping
- Base jumping with a flying suit
- Going into a war zone
- Going into a war zone as a soldier
- Rock climbing
- Mountain climbing
- Handling venemous snakes
- Crocodile infested rivers
- Highland games, tossing the caber
- Hang gliding
- Surfing
- Cycling on busy streets
- Photographing bears in the wild
- Photographing in the wild
- White water rafting
- White water canoing
Equally if you want to walk to Afghanistan and seek out the great enemy Bin Laden, I doubt many people would stop you, (some might try to section you before you left though
My argument is that in Britain people are much free-er than they think they are .. sure there is the petty annoyance of government snooping but this is not likely to affect someone who wants to jump from a mountain top attached flimsily to a hanglider.
If you are researching making bombs then perhaps we should hope that the government snoopers are watching you.
What might you possibly want to do that you cannot find some way of doing?
No one will prevent you taking some risks with your own life :
- Climbing trees
- Boxing
- Skateboarding
- Sailing
- Round the world sailing
- Motorcycle riding on the dirt or road
- Motorcycle racing on a track
- Cart racing
- Car racing
- Drag racing
- Boat (marine) drag racing
- Chain Sawing
- Bungee jumping
- Go Ape
- Parachuting (static line)
- Free fall parachuting
- Base Jumping
- Base jumping with a flying suit
- Going into a war zone
- Going into a war zone as a soldier
- Rock climbing
- Mountain climbing
- Handling venemous snakes
- Crocodile infested rivers
- Highland games, tossing the caber
- Hang gliding
- Surfing
- Cycling on busy streets
- Photographing bears in the wild
- Photographing in the wild
- White water rafting
- White water canoing
Equally if you want to walk to Afghanistan and seek out the great enemy Bin Laden, I doubt many people would stop you, (some might try to section you before you left though
My argument is that in Britain people are much free-er than they think they are .. sure there is the petty annoyance of government snooping but this is not likely to affect someone who wants to jump from a mountain top attached flimsily to a hanglider.
If you are researching making bombs then perhaps we should hope that the government snoopers are watching you.
untethered
For industry & decency
And what if this happened every day, with the muggers turning up at your door and going through the place taking anything that took their fancy?
Would you consider this to be an unreasonable abridgement of your freedom, or no big deal because you don't really own anything anyway?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Shouldn't this thread be in the general forum?
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Should be in the bin...
untethered
For industry & decency
untethered
For industry & decency
Why does it feel like Friday?
No, i'm not. But imposing my truth on others does not seem like a freedom to me. Taking responsibility (as i mentioned in the OP) for my own actions and speech means i think about the consequences. And if i'm to be free and non-hypocritical, then i'd better steer clear of passing judgments on others.
That is the kind of responsibility i referred to when defining freedom in the OP.
You're being too literal. Swap the money for something you value. They're preventing you from entering your property, then. Or from seeing your children. Or from entering a place of worship.
The point is: how can you retain your freedom in the face of overwhelming force?
I dunno. Only you can answer that, based on your idea of what freedom is.
untethered
For industry & decency
I'm sorry but you're going to have to unsubscribe from this thread.
I think you're talking nonsense and trying to impose your "truth" on me.
Now stop it and go away.
By accepting.
By accepting what - your loss of freedom? This seems contradictory.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
What can I say, it must be my British Genes...
No, you go away! I did not come here with my views looking for untethered. You accepted my OP in a vital sense simply by joining in. You take responsibility for your own actions. You're here, so you can't feel imposed upon.
Maybe you will have to unsubscribe from the thread!
untethered
For industry & decency
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
'genetic freedom'?
W. T. F. ?.
W. T. F. ?.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fela you've shown the whole country up - and in front of gorski too!
untethered
For industry & decency
No can do.
I replied to this thread to expose its patent nonsense. While the task remains, I shall stay.
Of course, I'm choosing to stay here. Are you free to leave? You seem to be very attached to this thread.
I can understand that. But if you refer back to the OP and my definition of freedom, i hope the contradiction will disappear.
untethered
For industry & decency
Perhaps we'll save that for another time. This thread is weird enough already.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I Want My Dna To Be Free!!!!! Free From The Oppression Of Replication, Free To Roam, Free To Be Rna If It Wants Too!!!
No attachment. Just choice. I am free to leave yes, you're right. But in the meantime, you just go about your life the way you feel right, and i will do the same, just as i alluded to the concept of what i feel freedom is in the OP. That's all we have to do, take responsibility for our own actions.
