Former Billericay owner Glenn Tamplin takes over Romford FC
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Ricky Modeste is the only one worth salt.
The rest will be tired after playing - they're putting out a strong side for the wrong Fixture, IMHO.
iamwithnail
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Still 0-0.
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Laten we hopen dat niemand tot de Nederlandse Douane spreekt...
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Moroccan Sunset
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Mmm. Have to disagree with you there: Robinson's goal record is very good, Deering is decent, Julian's a Conference keeper. I think Cunnington is one of their best players, but fortunately he rarely gets a run of games and he's now got a suspected fractured eye socket. The rest should all be able to bulldoze W&F at walking pace, too.
Apart from Waldren, that is, who looks about a fortnight away from the knackers yard. If I had a shed loads of cash, I'd be buggered if I'd spend it on him.
Sadly, I still think they're favourites for the title.
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But they won't be going at a walking pace.
They've put out more-or-less their best side for a week that terminates in a trip to Leatherhead.
& Deering's picked up yet another card.
Don't want your best players picking up cards/injuries during Fixtures like this & the next...
Moroccan Sunset
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2-0.
iamwithnail
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Bah.
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Wahey! Mark Baker is back amongst us!
"Mark Baker was last seen: Today at 2:49 AM"
At 3AM as well - I thought it was just people like me with a West Coast clientele that were knocking around at these sorts of times. And vampires, veryplentymany vampires - that's why my shooters are always loaded up with Argentum.
Spent an hour just liking posts he's named in...
That's not weird and narcissistic at all.
Oh, hold on - just remembered, that's par for the course from the Hobbits of Lower Essexshire. How very symptomatic of, and endemic to, your Club.
How do lad?
Any comment on trying to usurp and/or filch the support of other local clubs by venturing onto their Manor?
EDIT : Cheeky fuckers deleted it. Here's someone who commented.
Gosh, you lot really don't know who you're fucking with here do you?
This is a letter that was sent out to a school in Chelmsford inviting 200 children to visit the Stadio del Tampo :
Ooh, whilst you're here, any comment on Post #1700 & seq. ff?
Don't forget to tell The Veiny One.
In fact, make sure you tell The Veiny One.
I fancy a word with him - as do Her Majesty's Finest.
I may have used some big words in Posts #1701-#1705, but don't worry, just ask your friendly local Taxman.
There's plenty knocking around the Roding Valley at the moment!
Be more when I'm finished with looking into this, son.
I hope you enjoy your 'Football Club' whilst it lasts - because it won't.
Seen this many times before, from t'Sheffield Rovers through to Northwich Victoria [mk-IV].
It always ends the same way. Always.
Tick tick, tick tock, tick tock...
"Mark Baker was last seen: Today at 2:49 AM"
At 3AM as well - I thought it was just people like me with a West Coast clientele that were knocking around at these sorts of times. And vampires, veryplentymany vampires - that's why my shooters are always loaded up with Argentum.
Spent an hour just liking posts he's named in...
That's not weird and narcissistic at all.
Oh, hold on - just remembered, that's par for the course from the Hobbits of Lower Essexshire. How very symptomatic of, and endemic to, your Club.
How do lad?
Any comment on trying to usurp and/or filch the support of other local clubs by venturing onto their Manor?
EDIT : Cheeky fuckers deleted it. Here's someone who commented.
Gosh, you lot really don't know who you're fucking with here do you?
This is a letter that was sent out to a school in Chelmsford inviting 200 children to visit the Stadio del Tampo :
Ooh, whilst you're here, any comment on Post #1700 & seq. ff?
Don't forget to tell The Veiny One.
In fact, make sure you tell The Veiny One.
I fancy a word with him - as do Her Majesty's Finest.
I may have used some big words in Posts #1701-#1705, but don't worry, just ask your friendly local Taxman.
There's plenty knocking around the Roding Valley at the moment!
Be more when I'm finished with looking into this, son.
I hope you enjoy your 'Football Club' whilst it lasts - because it won't.
Seen this many times before, from t'Sheffield Rovers through to Northwich Victoria [mk-IV].
It always ends the same way. Always.
Tick tick, tick tock, tick tock...
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Hey, Garamondus - you're a new member, as of yesterday, that only logs in during work hours.
Fancy telling the world why that is?
Asking for a friend.
Fancy telling the world why that is?
Asking for a friend.
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Bump for a revised Post #1700.
Any comments on those operations, Aldaniti?
I completely agree with your comments from much, much earlier in the HellThread, BTW. €uromillions winner, at best.
At worst? Well, I won't tempt the Defamation Lawyers on that one.
Having advised people within the Base Metals trade to move into Copper & Tin during the particular phase of the Market which The Veiny One claims to have ruined his companies, I know exactly what you mean by your comments in Post #1118.
The downturn in Ferrous materials didn't happen at the same time as his companies failed, in any case. It was much earlier from what I recall.
If I remember correctly, I was advising a move from Fe & Cu into Sn during 2007-2008, After that, when Cu picked up again, I'd begun advising that it was undervalued with London stocks being significantly underweight and for a significant upside from 2009-2010 on the back of Chinese demand. Something like that, anyway - I don't have that DBase with me right now.
I can't find an LMEx graph for Ferrous prices that's not behind a paywall at this point, for the benefit of laypersons, but will post up in due course once I do.
Any comments on those operations, Aldaniti?
I completely agree with your comments from much, much earlier in the HellThread, BTW. €uromillions winner, at best.
At worst? Well, I won't tempt the Defamation Lawyers on that one.
Having advised people within the Base Metals trade to move into Copper & Tin during the particular phase of the Market which The Veiny One claims to have ruined his companies, I know exactly what you mean by your comments in Post #1118.
The downturn in Ferrous materials didn't happen at the same time as his companies failed, in any case. It was much earlier from what I recall.
If I remember correctly, I was advising a move from Fe & Cu into Sn during 2007-2008, After that, when Cu picked up again, I'd begun advising that it was undervalued with London stocks being significantly underweight and for a significant upside from 2009-2010 on the back of Chinese demand. Something like that, anyway - I don't have that DBase with me right now.
I can't find an LMEx graph for Ferrous prices that's not behind a paywall at this point, for the benefit of laypersons, but will post up in due course once I do.
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Garamondus
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If you made it this far, thanks for your efforts - you deserve a pint!
And to the new user [as of this morning], 'Garamondus', I see what you did there...
I'm not suspicious, not suspicious at all...
Please don't be suspicious. I'm merely an intrigued observer, and fellow Isthmian League fan who followed a link on my own team's forum to this incredible thread. Tonbridge Angels in case you were wondering. And I'll definitely be having that pint, thank you.
Edited as I've just seen you ask about me: I had looked at this thread over the weekend, but only created my account yesterday.
And to the new user [as of this morning], 'Garamondus', I see what you did there...
I'm not suspicious, not suspicious at all...
Please don't be suspicious. I'm merely an intrigued observer, and fellow Isthmian League fan who followed a link on my own team's forum to this incredible thread. Tonbridge Angels in case you were wondering. And I'll definitely be having that pint, thank you.
Edited as I've just seen you ask about me: I had looked at this thread over the weekend, but only created my account yesterday.
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Welcome to the Hellthread.
Nice wordplay, BTW - I saw the name and thought fellow Legal Beagle.
I'm always suspicious, hence the attention to detail in the posts & the number of times [now actually counting in the hundreds] that I've spotted The Veiny One in Breach.
Nice wordplay, BTW - I saw the name and thought fellow Legal Beagle.
I'm always suspicious, hence the attention to detail in the posts & the number of times [now actually counting in the hundreds] that I've spotted The Veiny One in Breach.
Garamondus
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Not in the legal profession I'm afraid, but admire your work
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I'd agree with you on the hot food there, Aldaniti.
What most people probably aren't aware of is the relatively low margins on Ferrous material -especially when purchasing from Producers, either in the UK or abroad- unless one is able to get it for pennies on the pound, such as from the inexperienced public selling as a source i.e. to scrap merchants, and in big quantities. This is a form of Arbitrage, whereby one Party may obtain a benefit by the Differential between paying for your supplies and what you may obtain from becoming the supplier to a 3rd Party in a second transaction for the same items.
It's a bit like buying a gold Sovereign in Swiss Francs because it's only thought of as a lump of metal & subsequently cheap over there, and then selling that same gold Sovereign in Pounds Sterling because it's more collectable and thus expensive in the UK. If you time it so that the currencies also have a differential in your favour, that is.
Arbitrage. Fun for all the family.
So, let's assume the best margins on the part of the purported Steel Magnate/Tycoon. Scrap metals.
For example, let's take Stainless Steel from amongst the Ferrous group and look at some prices offered to the public, acting as a seller.
I'm not going to go overboard, I'm just going to take 316 standard SS from two sources, one random and one known :
Scrap Metal Prices 2018 Manchester - Scrap Yard Manchester
Looking for Scrap Metal Prices?
The first gives £1,100/tonne [as of 22/02/2018] and the second gives £750/tonne [11/11/2016]
NB everyone's heard of Greengate, which proves Aldaniti's point - they're my go-to when I check these things!
Anyone can see that if you're doing the kinds of sums Mr Tamplin talks about, that's going to generate a serious level of turnover.
That's going to involve a lot of tonnage of Ferrous material being shifted.
All of which assumes just scrap material, because it offers the best margins for profit if you can play the Arbitrage game.
Of course, Glenn's been doing more than that, he's been fabricating, profiling, fitting &c.
Each of which involves sourcing material, labour, overheads so on and so forth.
Oh, tax - I forgot all about tax!
And NIC, PAYE, VAT and all of that...how could I possibly forget about that?
Eh, Glenn? How could I possibly have forgotten about that? Eh, Glenn?
Eh?
Now, if it were in big quantities, either the Consumer [as buyer from & seller to] or the Competition is going to have heard of your brand - either because you want their trade [i.e. from the public] or because Competitors are watching your prices. This applies whether it's simple scrap merchanting or the more fuller range of services.
I'd have thought that with the sums purportedly involved, one would have heard of the brands involved.
If not as a Consumer, then certainly as a Competitor.
These are those various brands :
Wakefield
Complete
Trade Price
SAL
Joy
CM / CE
Surrey
24Hr
AGP
Now, has anyone heard of those at all? As Consumers?
Has anyone heard of those at all in the trade? As Competitors?
For the sake of completeness, these are the more recent ones, which may or may not be involved in the Metals Trade:
TLC
Chase
BGT
Flag in the Sand
None of those four are in the trade, with these sub-groups mainly involved in goods & services, retail and the like.
BGT just stands for 'Bliss & Glenn Tamplin'.
I'm going to put up alongside them, in due course, the levels of turnover for each of Tamplin's 'brands' where that figure is known. Of course, some have been Sydney Harboured [this is where you make correct use the word, 'allegedly'], so there aren't any figures of which to speak.
Before I go away and do that I'd just like to say that none of them has been anywhere near £7m per year, per the Dyer Danny clip at the top of Post #1700.
I can say that right now, without even checking for completeness and putting the figures above in the interests of fairness.
What most people probably aren't aware of is the relatively low margins on Ferrous material -especially when purchasing from Producers, either in the UK or abroad- unless one is able to get it for pennies on the pound, such as from the inexperienced public selling as a source i.e. to scrap merchants, and in big quantities. This is a form of Arbitrage, whereby one Party may obtain a benefit by the Differential between paying for your supplies and what you may obtain from becoming the supplier to a 3rd Party in a second transaction for the same items.
It's a bit like buying a gold Sovereign in Swiss Francs because it's only thought of as a lump of metal & subsequently cheap over there, and then selling that same gold Sovereign in Pounds Sterling because it's more collectable and thus expensive in the UK. If you time it so that the currencies also have a differential in your favour, that is.
Arbitrage. Fun for all the family.
So, let's assume the best margins on the part of the purported Steel Magnate/Tycoon. Scrap metals.
For example, let's take Stainless Steel from amongst the Ferrous group and look at some prices offered to the public, acting as a seller.
I'm not going to go overboard, I'm just going to take 316 standard SS from two sources, one random and one known :
Scrap Metal Prices 2018 Manchester - Scrap Yard Manchester
Looking for Scrap Metal Prices?
The first gives £1,100/tonne [as of 22/02/2018] and the second gives £750/tonne [11/11/2016]
NB everyone's heard of Greengate, which proves Aldaniti's point - they're my go-to when I check these things!
Anyone can see that if you're doing the kinds of sums Mr Tamplin talks about, that's going to generate a serious level of turnover.
That's going to involve a lot of tonnage of Ferrous material being shifted.
All of which assumes just scrap material, because it offers the best margins for profit if you can play the Arbitrage game.
Of course, Glenn's been doing more than that, he's been fabricating, profiling, fitting &c.
Each of which involves sourcing material, labour, overheads so on and so forth.
Oh, tax - I forgot all about tax!
And NIC, PAYE, VAT and all of that...how could I possibly forget about that?
Eh, Glenn? How could I possibly have forgotten about that? Eh, Glenn?
Eh?
Now, if it were in big quantities, either the Consumer [as buyer from & seller to] or the Competition is going to have heard of your brand - either because you want their trade [i.e. from the public] or because Competitors are watching your prices. This applies whether it's simple scrap merchanting or the more fuller range of services.
I'd have thought that with the sums purportedly involved, one would have heard of the brands involved.
If not as a Consumer, then certainly as a Competitor.
These are those various brands :
Wakefield
Complete
Trade Price
SAL
Joy
CM / CE
Surrey
24Hr
AGP
Now, has anyone heard of those at all? As Consumers?
Has anyone heard of those at all in the trade? As Competitors?
For the sake of completeness, these are the more recent ones, which may or may not be involved in the Metals Trade:
TLC
Chase
BGT
Flag in the Sand
None of those four are in the trade, with these sub-groups mainly involved in goods & services, retail and the like.
BGT just stands for 'Bliss & Glenn Tamplin'.
I'm going to put up alongside them, in due course, the levels of turnover for each of Tamplin's 'brands' where that figure is known. Of course, some have been Sydney Harboured [this is where you make correct use the word, 'allegedly'], so there aren't any figures of which to speak.
Before I go away and do that I'd just like to say that none of them has been anywhere near £7m per year, per the Dyer Danny clip at the top of Post #1700.
I can say that right now, without even checking for completeness and putting the figures above in the interests of fairness.
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Aye, try writing it!
It takes longer to write the technical stuff than it did to see something awry was going on.
Literally 10 minutes whilst getting pissed in a pub.
I kid you not. Spent longer downloading all the files than I did working it out.
This whole BTFC thing is just one gigantic soap opera.
*SPOILER ALERT*
The upcoming episode's a doozy...
And there' s a few eyes on the screen right now that The Veiny One will wish weren't watching [and writing]
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And this is just weird.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mark Baker logged in at lunch time, did his usual narcissistic thing of liking all the Posts he was mentioned in,
AND THEN LIKED THE POST WHERE I TOLD HIM HIS FOOTBALL TEAM WOULD SOON BE OUT OF BUSINESS.
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mark Baker logged in at lunch time, did his usual narcissistic thing of liking all the Posts he was mentioned in,
AND THEN LIKED THE POST WHERE I TOLD HIM HIS FOOTBALL TEAM WOULD SOON BE OUT OF BUSINESS.
Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.
From The Sun article:
His AGP Steel empire now turns over around £5m a month.
THAT is a lot of steel.
He is continually linked to steel, steel, steel - it is drawing attention to the industry....The UK steel industry is all talking and wondering where this media darling steel tycoon has got so much right and the big boys have got it so wrong.
His AGP Steel empire now turns over around £5m a month.
THAT is a lot of steel.
He is continually linked to steel, steel, steel - it is drawing attention to the industry....The UK steel industry is all talking and wondering where this media darling steel tycoon has got so much right and the big boys have got it so wrong.
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DonkeyAssessor
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Pity you don't do PMs. Helveticsvs.
We could have discussed the NCEFL and T' Church's meteoric rise to the dizzy heights of 7th in the Premier league , along with Norton Woodseats' past glorious cup exploits.
We could have discussed the NCEFL and T' Church's meteoric rise to the dizzy heights of 7th in the Premier league , along with Norton Woodseats' past glorious cup exploits.
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DonkeyAssessor
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Sorry about above original mis quote. Now removed.
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Oop t'Church - genuinely glad for them. Lovely people there - Mark & Anne's favourites, I believe. Decent ground too.
Norton Woodseats, now you're going back. A grand old club and a lovely ground, the Coach & Horses.
Back to 1870, if I recall, and always good to have a Public House adjoining the ground - that's how Foot-ball & Cricket started, with benevolent Publicans offering prizes for the players and hospitality for the punters. How it should be.
Similar issues exist with ye Olde Spotted Dogge down Clapton way.
Yes, I must apologise for not being able to do DMs on here - I'm trying to remain on point for this one.
Interesting times in the Isthmian League. Nasty attacks on two Venerable & Ancient* Foot-ball Clubs.
Can't have that, now, can we?
Have to keep an eye out for the Youngsters.
It's going well in this place, at any rate. We're being watched, let's put it that way.
* well, technically one Ancient, t'other both Venerable & Ancient - being 125yrs & 138yrs respectively, post- & pre-1886 respectively.
/OCD /pedant
Norton Woodseats, now you're going back. A grand old club and a lovely ground, the Coach & Horses.
Back to 1870, if I recall, and always good to have a Public House adjoining the ground - that's how Foot-ball & Cricket started, with benevolent Publicans offering prizes for the players and hospitality for the punters. How it should be.
Similar issues exist with ye Olde Spotted Dogge down Clapton way.
Yes, I must apologise for not being able to do DMs on here - I'm trying to remain on point for this one.
Interesting times in the Isthmian League. Nasty attacks on two Venerable & Ancient* Foot-ball Clubs.
Can't have that, now, can we?
Have to keep an eye out for the Youngsters.
It's going well in this place, at any rate. We're being watched, let's put it that way.
* well, technically one Ancient, t'other both Venerable & Ancient - being 125yrs & 138yrs respectively, post- & pre-1886 respectively.
/OCD /pedant
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Well, it's obvious isn't it?
The only possible logical answer in the world.
He bought a fuckton [or Metric fucktonnes] of Ferrous at the very bottom of the Market, something that no-one else in the UK called at the time, and has a gigantic storage facility at which it is/was being kept.
It's sited just outside of the UK's Territorial Water's furthest extent and that giganta-mongous steel stockpile is held entirely under the Clear Title of a Legal Entity which is outwith the UK Jurisdiction, therefore isn't liable to taxation. Of course. How dare anyone suggest otherwise?
Nor would such a thing need to be put through the books, "'cos everything I do is 100% legitimate".
Post #1579 for those who might have missed it.
Whilst there is undoubted money to be made in Fabrication, he's performing some form of fabrication, as those sorts of numbers are not to be found on the Register. Even if they were on the Register, still people in the Trade would be aware of such things.
Post #1700 for those who might have missed it.
Indeed, given that we're talking about a Medium-sized Company, by The Veiny One's purported Turnover, the Consumer would be aware of such things. Turnover of £20m a month back in the day, when Mr Tamplin was skinnier and less ragged-looking again, as he states in Post #1700 which begins with a clip of him being chipper and making this very same claim. That clip was first broadcast in October 2008 and would have been filmed perhaps a year in advance of that. It is therefore quite easy to ascertain the monthly turnover per the Register.
That figure is preposterous. Even if his addled mind thought it was, or if the word 'month' overran his mouth when he meant 'year', the figure is not found anywhere upon the Register and it is inconceivable as a turnover sum for a UK-based Sole Trader.
Turnover of £5m a month these days, as reported by Paul Jiggins in that newspaper, 29/07/2017 :
Paul Jiggins - journalisted.com
Paul Jiggins | The Scottish Sun Journalist | Muck Rack
...in case anyone of an investigative leaning was wondering.
Of course, AGP Steel wasn't turning over that much at all during the period stated above, i.e. the Summer of 2017.
Christ Almighty, in Spring the chap took a £1.6m 'Advance' from a Company which didn't have it on the Books - but did have a Charge Registered over it from the Bank.
Whether the Legal Person 08793555 AGP Steel Structures London Ltd or the Legal Person 09990454 AGP Steel Fabrication Ltd, the latter being the company formerly known as Dagenham & Redbridge FC 2016 Ltd, 'AGP' wasn't doing £5m of business monthly or, if only, just about even the whole Taxable Period.
09990454 only filed Micro-entity accounts, for the smallest sized businesses;
08793555 had two major outgoings, £1.8m for Pension Provision & £1.6m Advanced for The Veiny One's Vanity Project Extravanzal Zippo's Circo-Rama Extraordinaire - the major incoming funds originated with Lloyd's, you know, that fine upstanding bank with an excellent Due Diligence regime.
Lloyds under fire in money laundering case
These fines for HSBC, Standard Chartered and LLoyds prove there's one
Lloyds anti-fraud boss jailed for £2.5m fraud
Call for urgent inquiry into UK money-laundering 'failures' over Global Laundromat scandal | Global Witness
Four Lloyds workers and three 'money launderers' jailed | Daily Mail Online
British banks handled vast sums of laundered Russian money
And if he "branched into property" after the coming-into-force of the Land Registration Act 2002, as he apparently says within that interview, then pursuant to UKPGA 2002 ch9 all of those transactions will be Registered.
All of which is noteworthy.
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I am a legend.
If you have a spare five minutes. Would appreciate you looking into the Tonbridge Angels manager.
Thanks in advance.
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