He looks like a twat as well...
does anyone have links to a site that is specifically discussing the above
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He looks like a twat as well...
does anyone have links to a site that is specifically discussing the above
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
I didn't state this is a problem, but actually asked is this a problem. I said it seems like a lot of hassle which I can't see many people bothering to do, but I don't/didn't know the actual figures or that Trussell had released a statement about it.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Have a look on Google.
I'm really not sure this is true, my friend runs a Church based Sunday lunch which is for homeless but is open to everyone, etc and I have never heard her say something like that.
This is just another escuse for IDS to 'crack down' on welfare: clearly these fearless journalists have uncovered the truth that scroungers are smoking and drinking their JSA and getting away with it because hippy dippy yoghurt knitter charities are giving them free food. No questions asked.
Ergo, cut benefits.
Ergo, cut benefits.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You don't understand, no one is supposed to enjoy anything anyway, especially not poor people and certainly not those who are in such a desperate position that they are getting back what they put in.
Victorian values: Bentham's Panopticon with Smiths virtual workhouse revisited with Universal Job Match, an all seeing overseer, the treadmill is back with constantly having to visit the J/C even though there are no jobs, we have less eligibility, now we are to go back to medieval poor law with 'public shaming'
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Church-provided Sunday lunch open to everyone is a somewhat different situation from a soup kitchen for the homeless only though.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
You'd have to be pretty misanthropic to think it could ever be otherwise, but I suppose it's the Daily Mail we're talking about here.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
To be fair foodbanks aren't necessarily turning people against the government but it will make people hate the cunts more if they already dislike them. Which is good. It's a charity cause and a political one so you're going to get a wider spectrum of people who care about it than with ATOS etc - we donated food to foodbanks at primary school and church.
people lie. say they are working when they aren't or say they are blagging it because thats easier than admitting they have no money and they need it.
Just to add my experiences, as someone who spent years using day centres, soup runs, food banks etc. - yes, some people do take advantage of being able to get something for nothing when they could manage perfectly well without. One person who springs to mind is a moneylender I knew who would eat breakfast and lunch at a day centre and get enough to take something home for his tea - that was a whole day's food for £1.50 so he could keep most of his dole money to lend out and make profit on. Those people make up a tiny minority though; I've not got any figures to back this up but I'd guess there are far more people who are "entitled" to free food from food banks or wherever but aren't getting it, for a whole variety of reasons.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
Seriously? the bloke at the dwp encouraged you to commit suicide?
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
What are people supposed to do to get food if they have used a food bank 3 times already?
I bet there's loads of people in this position.
Not everyone has friends and family to ask, and even if they do, f&f would soon get fed up of having to feed them.
Yeah, he was laughing about it, but think he meant cos my situation was so terrible. Knew he wasnt being serious.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
Still, its a very sinister thing to say.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
Tory plan to bring back the workhouse
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I don't really see how this will work, daily work fare + signing.it's going to cost the claimant a fortune, having to bus from placement signing and home as well as food.
Don't you see? That's the point.
Nobody will be rounded up and gassed, nobody will be given starvation rations while being worked to death. Instead, people will be ground down, slowly but systematically, until they end up taking their own lives.
Far cheaper all round, and so much more potential for plausible deniability.
I wonder how long it will be before we hear/see reports from people given this 'intensive help'.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I am somewhat intrigued, given the paucity of "intensive help" available to people in general with mental health problems, what the DWP's offering for those on benefits with mental health difficulties might be.
We've seen IAPT, which - while in principle having something to offer - has, in practice, been something of a hopeless intervention, with all kinds of dubious fraud around the outcome statistics, and relying on using extremely sketchily-trained practitioners to deal with only the simplest of problems, but if DWP really thinks something like that is going to have any validity in situations which are almost certainly guaranteed to be far more complex and intractable, they're sadly deluded.
And I can't see them paying for specialist psychological or psychotherapeutic help.
I had an interview with a post WP adviser with a view toward this stuff (as is now the norm). In fact he was willing to talk to me over the phone after I contacted the Work Psychologist i'd previously seen at the DWP. He was actually pretty good (or seems to be, i reserve the right to remain guarded) and seemed to have the right attitude: he agreed the WP was a complete joke for instance when I expalined my experience to him. So there are good people out there - at least that's the hope!
But he's stationed at my JC three days a week. he's not full tim there. In fact from what I could gather he's not really a full time DWP person. He's someone with a psychology background that, Iguess, consults.
Perhaps they are bringing in 'outsiders' to help with the workload of having to deal with all of this.
BUt i cannot see waht a regular adviser could offer in terms of intesnsive help in regard of medical matters, mental or physical. But even if your GP intervened and said 'dear DWP you can't do this, it's more harm than help', the end result would be the same: sanction.
But he's stationed at my JC three days a week. he's not full tim there. In fact from what I could gather he's not really a full time DWP person. He's someone with a psychology background that, Iguess, consults.
Perhaps they are bringing in 'outsiders' to help with the workload of having to deal with all of this.
BUt i cannot see waht a regular adviser could offer in terms of intesnsive help in regard of medical matters, mental or physical. But even if your GP intervened and said 'dear DWP you can't do this, it's more harm than help', the end result would be the same: sanction.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
I think they will expect people to do both signing on, and workfare, and if they don't attend or are late (one of which they willl be) they will be sanctioned.
They will set appointment/start times so close together, that people will find it impossible to be where they are told to be, at the times they are told to be there.
I think the goal of the powers that be, is to make life so impossible for people that they just end up giving up and killing themselves.
A really ghoulish side of me thinks that if the powers that be want claimants dead, then it would be easier to kill them off quickly rather than putting them through all this crap.
The difficulties that the government's 'help' will cause them, will not only affect them negatively, but those around them.
It's as if the government don't just want to cut welfare, or harm the claimants, it is as if they want to cause as much difficulty in as many people's lives as possible.
Sorry for the ghoulish thoughts, it's just that these sorts of subjects conjure up really morbid thoughts.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think that this is probably true, though I suspect it will be "carelessly" arranged that way, rather than done as a matter of policy.
I'm not convinced by this, though. I think that the people making policy are very much in denial about the effects of their decisions: they really do believe that people who are out of work or unable to work are in that position because they choose to be. Given that, almost by definition, a senior minister in a government is likely to lack any relevant first-hand experience, making themselves aware of what it might be like down at the sharp end ends up having to be an act of commission - something that they have to set out to do. The obvious way to do that would be to listen to the voices of those at the sharp end, or those representing them, but we've seen how unprepared they are to hear what everyone, from bishops to food banks, has to say on the subject: they're ideologically opposed to confronting the reality.
So the path is at least open for them to ignorantly fail to appreciate how devastating what they are doing...but could it be that they might deliberately be driving people to suicide? Even if we discount basic humanity - and in certain cases, for example IDS, that probably isn't unreasonable, although I suspect that even most Tories do, under the ideology, have a shred of humanity - most politicians are not going to want to go anywhere near a situation where they might be found out for driving people to suicide as a matter of policy.
Suicide is still a huge taboo, and a subject that makes people very uneasy: it is toxic, in terms of its societal effects and those on anyone touched by it, and I think it would take a great deal of a peculiar kind of courage to set out to drive significant numbers of people to that extreme.
So no, I think this is callous, unthinking, uncaring disregard, not a deliberate policy. And when, as they inevitably will, people do kill themselves and the finger is clearly pointed at government policy, ministers and officials will leap back like scalded cats, not because they're scared of being found out, but because it is genuinely intolerable to them to think that something they did might have resulted in someone killing themselves - cognitive dissonance at work.
It's an often-quoted maxim, but I do believe that "never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence" is a pretty good one to judge these cunts by. Where "incompetence" may well, admittedly, often be wilful.
Understandably. And, whatever the intent, the effect is the same. I see it in my work: the work I do with adults, where I see the misery and hopelessness of people who have watched their (already limited) options narrow to nothing; and in the work I do with children, where I am dealing not only with the second-hand consequences of their having to live in homes where parents are being brutalised by their interactions with the State, but also from the recognition that, as things stand, there is little more on offer for them when they reach adulthood.
I suppose I choose to work in this field, and in this - particularly deprived - area, but it gets me down sometimes, and I am better off in many ways than my clients by a considerable margin.
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I wouldn't put it past them, but it's more likely that you will be assigned a time based on whatever suits the JC. That's just how it works now. Claimants that have to attend appointments wfor whatever reason are given a time when they get the letter informing them. That time will have been set by someone just looking at their diary (which is already inflexible because it doesn't look far enough ahead to plan for people's need properly). Consequently if you ring back and ask to change that you will be given the third degree. They never consider what's convenient for the claimant, as if they are doing you a massive favour and you are throwing it back in their face.
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
I agree that the difficulties in arriving at places will be casually arranged, and look more like carelessness than policy.
Even though a lot of powerful people are out of touch with what claimants have to deal with, I believe some people in high places are still convinced that claimants want to be on benefits, but I also believe there are some sinister characters who are engineering this whole scenario to make people suicidal.
I would even go so far as to say I think it is social engineering. I am not saying I am right though, it's just my theory.
The welfare state has been with us for 67 years, and those at the top were out of touch then. There is definitely a malevolent force wth a global agenda, and this force has been getting worse in the last decade as benefit rules become more draconian.
They are and want to drive people towards suicide, but not in a blatant way, because, they would be to blame. Let the claimants decide for themselves to commit suicide, that way, the powers that be cannot be blamed for driving them to do it, as 'the claimant did it to himself' regardless of the fact that their lives were so impossible they felt they had no choice.
I think there is no humanity in them and they have bypassed cognitive dissonance. I think they are all corporate psychopaths, who dont have any regard for human life. I think the corporations run the government.
They are snakes in suits.
I think they hide behind incompetence. Sort of like, woops, we didn't realise...type of thing.
I do believe that they want to get rid of all the useless eaters.
No one thought Hitler would do what he did, but when it all came out in the wash.
We do have despotic leaders, but nowadays its a global thing, the Corporate Psychopaths run the world and, rather than it being a country/continent problem, like Cambodia, Africa, etc, it is now a global problem.
probably not news to us, but hopefully the LP will take cognisance of it and change policy,
btw, I've said it before, but poverty issues should be the main priority for the left, such as it is, progressives, etc, not march for England, or even fracking, imo..
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panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
I think that the set up is accidentally on purpose.
I mean, if people cannot even change an appointment time without getting the third degree...?
I think the beaurocratic complications are set up on purpose, and people just 'blame the system' as if 'the system' is just some thing that is there that cannot be helped, like the weather.
If the corporate psychopaths, I mean powers that be, really wanted people back in work, they would not have all this beaurocracy and petty rules in place, they would make up more of an effort to set up useful training courses with qualifications that employers recognise.
The bottom line is that the powers that be are taking from the poor and giving to the rich, they are using money to control a population.
It's like a classic domestic abuse scenario where one partner tries to trap the other, and makes them dependent on them.
