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Finland & Sweden, and NATO membership.



If you were running a country with 66% inflation had something like Tai TF-X in development (with an eye on export orders) not sure how much of a priority trying to get back in F35 program would be
 
From RTP Portugal

12:24 - Erdogan reaffirms that he will not allow countries "that support terrorism" to enter NATO

According to a quote broadcast today by Turkish public television TRT Haber, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that the talks held last week with delegations from Finland and Sweden had not been "at the expected level" and that Turkey cannot accept the in NATO from countries "that support terrorism".

Erdogan was referring to the right to asylum enjoyed in those two countries by Kurdish independentists persecuted by successive Ankara governments.

(Reuters Agency)
 
From RTP Portugal
Erdogan: Turkey’s Syria operation could happen ‘suddenly’
29/05/2022
“All coalition forces, leading with the U.S., have provided these terror groups a serious amount of weapons, vehicles, tools, ammunition and they continue to do so. The U.S. has given them thousands of trucks,” Erdogan said.

He warned that Turkey wouldn’t need anyone’s permission to fight terror.

“If the U.S. is not fulfilling its duty in combating terror, what will we do? We will take care of ourselves,” he declared.

While acknowledging Turkey’s security concerns, U.S. State Department spokesman Ned Price has voiced concerns about Turkey’s plans, saying a new offensive could undermine regional stability and put American forces at risk.

Ankara has launched four cross-border operations into Syria since 2016 and controls some territories in the north with the goal of pushing away the YPG and establishing a 30-kilometer (19-mile) deep safe zone where Erdogan hopes to “voluntarily” return Syrian refugees.

In 2019, an incursion into northeast Syria against the YPG drew widespread international condemnation, prompting Finland, Sweden and others to restrict arms sales to Turkey. Now Turkey is blocking the two Nordic countries’ historic bid to join NATO because of the weapons ban and their alleged support for the Kurdish groups.
 
  • Security concerns raised by Turkey in its opposition to Finland’s and Sweden’s Nato membership applications are legitimate, Nato secretary general Jens Stoltenberg said. “These are legitimate concerns. This is about terrorism, it’s about weapons exports,” Stoltenberg told a news conference in Finland on Sunday.
 
As expected, Turkey, Finland and Sweden have come to an agreement, which means Turkey's objections to Finland and Sweden joining NATO have been lifted, so their applications for membership are now just down to the technical step of ratification by all member states.

Congratulations to Putin for recruiting two new member countries to NATO, and pissing off RD2003. :thumbs:

A last minute agreement has been reached between Turkey, Finland and Sweden to allow the two Nordic countries to become Nato members on the eve of the military alliance’s summit in Madrid.

Nato said a trilateral deal had been reached at a meeting between Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, President Sauli Niinistö of Finland and the Swedish prime minister, Magdalena Andersson, in the Spanish capital.

After a period of intensive negotiations, Jens Stoltenberg, Nato’s secretary general, said on Tuesday evening: “I am pleased to announce that we now have an agreement that paves the way for Finland and Sweden to join Nato.”

 
This is concerning though.

Turkey has wasted no time asking for the extradition of 33 Kurds from Finland and Sweden calling them terrorist suspects.

Kurds also fear the deal will be seen by Turkey as a green light to renew attacks on the Kurdish enclave in Rojava in northern Syria.

Turkey's president has recently threatened to launch a fresh invasion into northern Syria to recapture towns held by the YPG.

A bad day for Vladimir Putin as Sweden and Finland invited to join NATO - but what price did they pay?
 
the relentless media badgering is getting worse; as Finland becomes NATO's anti-Russia bulwork. I'm not convinced Russia is not behind these distractions:

In the words of someone else on Twitter, her enemies will stop at nothing in their quest to make the public think she is incredibly cool.
 
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If Macron keeps this up we might see another wave of people in the west pouring their French wine down the drain, as with regard to the lukewarm French attitude to the Iraq invasion. Nothing as effective as boycotting stuff you've already bought.


More on French president Emmanuel Macron’s comments that the west should consider how to address Russia’s demands for security guarantees if President Vladimir Putin agrees to negotiations about ending the war in Ukraine.

In his remarks, broadcast on Saturday, Macron told French TV station TF1 that Europe needs to prepare its future security architecture, Reuters reports.

This means that one of the essential points we must address – as President Putin has always said – is the fear that Nato comes right up to its doors, and the deployment of weapons that could threaten Russia.
That topic will be part of the topics for peace, so we need to prepare what we are ready to do, how we protect our allies and member states, and how to give guarantees to Russia the day it returns to the negotiating table.

Russia and the US have both said this week they are open to talks in principle, though US president Joe Biden said he would talk to Putin only if the Kremlin chief showed he was interested in ending the war. Ukraine says negotiations are possible only if Russia stops attacking and pulls out its troops.

Many in Ukraine and the west are strongly opposed to any negotiation with Putin that would reward him with concessions after nearly 10 months of war, especially as Ukraine has driven back Russian forces from large areas in the past three months.

But Macron‘s remarks suggested he was sympathetic to Moscow’s demand for security guarantees, which was the focus of intense but failed diplomacy in the run-up to the war, Reuters reports.

On 8 February, weeks before Russia’s invasion, Putin said at a joint news conference with Macron in Moscow that Russia would keep trying to obtain answers from the west to its main three security demands: no more Nato enlargement; no missile deployments near its borders; and a scaling back of Nato’s military infrastructure in Europe to 1997 levels. The US said at the time that the Russian demands were “non-starters”.

Updated at 10.21 GMT
3h ago09.21 GMT
 
The Turkish parliament has ratified Finland's application to join NATO - 270 votes to 0 - Erdogan will sign the instrument which will be deposited with the US State Department, and that'll be it, Finland will be a signatory of the North Atlantic Treaty. Current chat is that It'll be done by mid-April.

Sweden is a bit behind, but it looks reasonably sure to be a member in time for the NATO Heads of Government summit in Vilnius in July.

Putin just won Russia another 600 miles of border with NATO - play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
 
The Turkish parliament has ratified Finland's application to join NATO - 270 votes to 0 - Erdogan will sign the instrument which will be deposited with the US State Department, and that'll be it, Finland will be a signatory of the North Atlantic Treaty. Current chat is that It'll be done by mid-April.

Sweden is a bit behind, but it looks reasonably sure to be a member in time for the NATO Heads of Government summit in Vilnius in July.

Putin just won Russia another 600 miles of border with NATO - play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
NATO on Russias door step Putin will blow his top when he hears that
 
Maybe they'll have to move all those troops they deployed away from the Finnish border to go to Ukraine last year back again. The ones that are still alive anyway.

I just wonder about how many troops they have at this stage.
Maybe they'll use drones to patrol the border.

I'm very glad for Finland . Ive friends in Helsinki and they've been quietly very concerned about Russia invading or attacking. Helsinki has an amazing underground city built for protection in case of a Russian invasion. They've always had a realisation of their vulnerability when it comes to Russia.
 
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