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Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy

Article arguing the venue should be reopened to mitigate financial loss:

What a daft article - this seems to e key bit which a proper journalist would find out what’s happening rather than what should.

The investigation must ensure that robust security measures be introduced to ensure this never happens again. Those responsible must be held accountable. Moreover, other measures could be taken, including reducing the capacity of the venue for a period of time to trial additional security provisions or requiring trackable health and safety protocols. The license could be reduced temporarily to limit the amount of events.
 
September 12th and 13th for a two day Licensing hearing at the Town Hall. I'm surprised that this has come around so soon with the Met investigation still not concluded.

The Licensing Committee will consider an application from the licence holder to renew, and also a licence review from the Met. I think it's unlikely that hearing will make it to Day 2, given the position of the Met.
 
September 12th and 13th for a two day Licensing hearing at the Town Hall. I'm surprised that this has come around so soon with the Met investigation still not concluded.

The Licensing Committee will consider an application from the licence holder to renew, and also a licence review from the Met. I think it's unlikely that hearing will make it to Day 2, given the position of the Met.
There seems to be some work going on in the entrance lobby - wonder if this is connected.
 
What a daft article - this seems to e key bit which a proper journalist would find out what’s happening rather than what should.
The author is the chair of 'Sound Diplomacy', an outfit which provides "research and recommendations to businesses and policymakers to help them make informed decisions on the best use of places and how to stimulate economic, social and cultural growth".

It's his job to promote the venue's interests.

It's our duty to respect the memory of Rebecca Ikumelo and Gaby Hutchinson.
 
Seen a suggestion that the Licensing Committee will finally met to determine the review in September during a two day hearing. No two day hearing listed on website, but there is a daytime one scheduled for the 11th Sept. If anyone made a representation about this then they should be notified of date/time in advance. No agenda published yet.

Given the very long delay in dealing with this you do have to winder if the Police and licence holder have 'sorted' it out between them prior to the meeting.
 
That seems crap from the police
- if they don’t think AMG can run over the venue how can they think they can run any of their others?

Think there’s always the danger that the police will try and veto any licence by being massively over cautious and any council going against that would be taking a huge risk.

Owners & the police really have to work together to get it to reopen.
 
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There are hundreds of pages of documents about today's meeting https://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=116&MId=16786
Somewhere in there are proposals from AMG, for new doors amongst other things. Sounds like they are blaming the crowd for what happened. According to the Standard "the venue is proposing to complete a more detailed risk assessment for every show based on the type of music and the demographic of attendees, details of which will be shared with the council and Met police beforehand". O2 Academy Brixton pledges stronger doors at licensing hearing
 
I see AMG have hired the same legal professional that managed to keep Fabric's license when the Met wanted to shut it down due to 2 deaths from ecstasy overdoses. Good to hear the venue have hired one of the best in the business in order to keep the license in another example where unfortunate crowd incidents have landed it in the shit with Police/licensing.
 
I see AMG have hired the same legal professional that managed to keep Fabric's license when the Met wanted to shut it down due to 2 deaths from ecstasy overdoses. Good to hear the venue have hired one of the best in the business in order to keep the license in another example where unfortunate crowd incidents have landed it in the shit with Police/licensing.
How exactly is a venue reaching capacity with tons of ticket holders still outside “unfortunate crowd incidents”? Pretty sickening take tbh.
 
"unfortunate crowd incidents" sounds like an excuse to be blaming the crowd rather than looking at security and ticketing issues, and the building layout. I want the academy back as much as anyone but unless those issues are properly examined I worry that the same disaster will happen again someday
I am blaming the crowd, among other things, and have done throughout this entire thread. As the Evening Standard article posted above says

"Security guard Gaby Hutchinson, 23, and Rebecca Ikumelo, 33, were killed at the venue on December 15 last year when fans without tickets tried to force their way into a show by Nigerian artist Asake. When the doors were breached the crowd poured into the lobby towards the auditorium and surged over people who had fallen to the floor."
 
"unfortunate crowd incidents" sounds like an excuse to be blaming the crowd rather than looking at security and ticketing issues, and the building layout. I want the academy back as much as anyone but unless those issues are properly examined I worry that the same disaster will happen again someday
Some people will just willingly shill for corporate events companies it seems.
 
How exactly is a venue reaching capacity with tons of ticket holders still outside “unfortunate crowd incidents”? Pretty sickening take tbh.

A bit like how thousands of England football fans stormed Wembley at the Euro's final and caused mayhem. Maybe they also probably had valid tickets, didnt do much wrong on the day and it was in fact all Wembley Stadium's fault? I seem to recall the media didn't seem to think so, branding them as 'animals', 'yobs', 'shameful', 'disgraceful' etc etc.
 
A bit like how thousands of England football fans stormed Wembley at the Euro's final and caused mayhem. Maybe they also probably had valid tickets, didnt do much wrong on the day and it was in fact all Wembley Stadium's fault? I seem to recall the media didn't seem to think so, branding them as 'animals', 'yobs', 'shameful', 'disgraceful' etc etc.
Your wilful ignorance is outstanding.

Think you should read this before you make comparisons like that:

 
Your wilful ignorance is outstanding.

Think you should read this before you make comparisons like that:

I have read it, and its pretty clear from the article that among other things, people (not all people i hasten to add) in the crowd are to blame for the problems. Maybe you should re-read it, as i cant be arsed to copy and paste the informative sections for you.
 
I have read it, and its pretty clear from the article that among other things, people (not all people i hasten to add) in the crowd are to blame for the problems. Maybe you should re-read it, as i cant be arsed to copy and paste the informative sections for you.
And that’s an “unfortunate crowd incident” is it?

Again, a sickening take & weird so many are happy to blindly back a corporate events company especially one who’s venue reaches capacity with tons of ticket holders still outside!
 
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I am blaming the crowd, among other things, and have done throughout this entire thread. As the Evening Standard article posted above says

"Security guard Gaby Hutchinson, 23, and Rebecca Ikumelo, 33, were killed at the venue on December 15 last year when fans without tickets tried to force their way into a show by Nigerian artist Asake. When the doors were breached the crowd poured into the lobby towards the auditorium and surged over people who had fallen to the floor."
Where’s the evidence for the claim of ticketless fans forcing their way in? Notice the Standard is repeating this in today’s article again.
 
I’ve read the timeline. I’m not disputing any of it but it’s worth pointing out that I’ve often seen queues snaking round the block. They start the queue at the left hand side of the doors, and people queue all up the street, round the back of the building, back along Astoria Walk and sometimes even out towards Brixton Road and round there. I once saw a queue that came out of Astoria Wall and wrapped around the original queue.

I’ve always been kinda flummoxed when seeing such long queues cos no show I’ve ever attended there has had queues like that. The longest I’ve ever had to queue was along Astoria Walk, and it was brief.


But I’ve never seen a queue thicker than a couple or three of people. Never as thick as described in that timeline, filling the pavement. I’ve only ever seen them hugging the wall with plenty of room on the pavement. When I’ve walked along the queue, just out of curiosity, I’ve been aware that the section were the tour buses and coaches are parked at the back of the building feels oppressive and hemmed in. Tall busses, the big cliff face of the building, standing waiting in a queue, not nice.

I don’t know what makes the difference between what I’ve seen and what was described from that night.

The point is, it’s not one type of crowd that’s made to queue that way. I’ve seen young girls in groups or with their mums, and gaggles of late teens early twenties, largely white. So it seems to be policy of some kind.

So I’d reckon that bit wasn’t racialising. The bit about the security doing gun checks and the dogs, I can’t remember ever seeing that for any gig at the Academy. That bit does sound like racialising.
 
A lot more details here including how the venue plans to change its ticket checks to stop people without tickets getting in:

Sorry to be nit picking - but isn't Philip Kovin a KC? I counted 4 QC attribtions to Mr Kovin in the NME article.
 
Unless I've missed it, it's unclear how many tickets were sold for the show and if fakes, copies or even people bunking in with a cash bribe were an issue. The venue itself was not responsible for ticket sales so if say 5,000 ticketholders show up at a 4000 capacity venue, it may not have any prior knowledge until it becomes an issue just prior to showtime with a full house and 1000 people locked out. Then any deficencies in their operation become under pressure- staff, doors, evacuation procedures with tragic results. The queueing system and crowd control outside seems different to what I have experienced at many shows and making people already inside leave via the foyer was a catastrophic mistake. Were the emergency exits opened for example? They tend not to be used to let people leave after normal shows (unlike eg Apollo or many West End theatres). The Academy knew that the foyer design was a problem from previous incidents and didn't really do anything to sort it. Just saying that stronger doors are the solution does not fix the fundamental issues of ticketing and safety.
 
I am blaming the crowd, among other things, and have done throughout this entire thread. As the Evening Standard article posted above says

"Security guard Gaby Hutchinson, 23, and Rebecca Ikumelo, 33, were killed at the venue on December 15 last year when fans without tickets tried to force their way into a show by Nigerian artist Asake. When the doors were breached the crowd poured into the lobby towards the auditorium and surged over people who had fallen to the floor."

Yes lots of people blame crowds as that looks like the most 'obvious' explanation - but that ignores decades of crowd research that tries to understand why these things happen all over the world. And the answer is it's rarely the crowd's fault as explained here: this article and in the video teuchter posted upthread.
 
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