Fatalities and critical injuries at Asake concert crush at the Brixton Academy

[mojo pixy]

Now that is 'being silenced'

 

[A380]

RUBBISH.

Why is it not that simple? Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because you can't understand some simple cultural difference.
You've all answered the question without even realising - all admitting that the doors were run by shady doorman for decades and this never happened before - and his wasn't the issue here. The crowd were exclusively a single race - they "rushed" the door in an organised attempt to get in without paying and one black woman lamped a copper round the face (all on video, I've seen it) then accusing them of using excessive force. This is the same tactic they use when "rushing" Westfield or any other shopping centre, it's a well known "tactic" that is used in America and you can watch videos online - they do it in Detroit, Miami, NY - most recently at the Apple stores, hence the extra security you see over here - due to the copy cat criminal elements (again all on video). So yes, collectively you can refer to "the crowd" as people act in unison when grouped as a collective with a shared identity. This is why crowd dynamics are totally different from individuals actions and in this case - it's known that it was premeditated and organised online to enter without paying. No amount of security, good or bad, could have prevented this and the worst bit - we will all suffer the extra cost for future events and extra Policing and security will be part of their licence conditions. Why do we all have metal detectors at the major clubs (like Ministry of Sound, Fabric) It's not White people going around with machetes and knives around London, storming shopping malls and if it was evidence could be provided that there were no cultural consistencies at play here - but that's impossible and people need to accept it instead of over intellectualising the problem.

It probably took longer to type this drivel that they were a member of urban for.

That’s got to be of note surely?
#TopTrumpsRacistEdition.

 

[krtek a houby]

All this othering and talk of "they" and cultural difference, with American references thrown into the confused mix.

The tool.

 

[Indeliblelink]

O2 Academy Brixton crush: Claims of not enough medical cover

The number of medical staff working at the O2 Academy Brixton did not match industry recommendations.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mr paulee]

O2 Academy Brixton crush: Claims of not enough medical cover

The number of medical staff working at the O2 Academy Brixton did not match industry recommendations.

www.bbc.co.uk

What an absolute shit show.

 

[Winot]

I assume this is ultimately the venue’s responsibility to get right?

 

[Indeliblelink]

Recommended doesn't mean compulsory though.

 

[Rushy]

Recommended doesn't mean compulsory though.

Perhaps not. But the onus will be on the venue and servicer provide to show that their decision to operate with half the recommended staff had been carefully considered and was justified.

 

[two sheds]

I wonder how many other venues operate with similar staffing levels. One-off or systemic?

 

[magneze]

If it's only 'recommended' then I'd guess systemic.

 

[jimbarkanoodle]

Fabric, which is 1/3 of the size, has 2 paramedics on duty at all times. That venue does however have a long history of ecstasy overdoses/deaths and lots of authority pressure because of it.

You wonder if venues take much consideration over medical staff covering 100's of people storming the venue and causing a stampede, as it is so rare.

 

[Tolpuddle]

Conditions from the licence included in the committee papers:

6 A fully equipped first aid point staffed by adequate numbers of first aiders shall be maintained for the duration of the event Drinks and refreshments shall only be supplied in plastic or paper containers.

24 A risk assessment for the premises shall be carried (this to be reviewed as and when new hazards are introduced into the premises), all significant hazards identified should be recorded and remedial measures/systems put in place

Who defines 'adequate'? presumably there ought to be some form of risk assessment/matrix that the operators rely on, factoring in the type of event and profile of the crowd. The risk assessment mentioned above seems to suggest physical hazards to my reading.

Knowledge of the event/crowd is key, a dance event where the use of ecstasy (as mentioned above) would be anticipated should indicate the need for qualified paramedics. The Academy did have at least one ecstasy related death some time ago, but I don't think this event would fall into that category.

 

[Indeliblelink]

They had assessed the event as "high risk [level5}. Mentioned in this article

O2 Brixton Academy: Crush victim’s family call for answers

A man whose sister died after a crush outside a gig in December says her family want answers and justice.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Rushy]

Wow - reads like an after report.

What exactly does "up to 200+" mean?

 

[jimbarkanoodle]

Wow - reads like an after report.

What exactly does "up to 200+" mean?

Sounds like they correctly called that it was a potentially troublesome event and needed as many security, including fast response, as possible.

There are of course whispers they failed to achieve that.

 

[DietCokeGirl]

Surely something is either "up to 200", or "200+" though....

 

[Rushy]

Surely something is either "up to 200", or "200+" though....

Quite. Up to 200+ is quite literally any number.

 

[Winot]

Quite. Up to 200+ is quite literally any number.

See also sales at “up to 50% off”.

 

[Rushy]

See also sales at “up to 50% off”.

I knew that there was something similar that always grates but couldn't put my finger on what it was. And that's it!

 

[Indeliblelink]

Quite. Up to 200+ is quite literally any number.

There are quite a lot of numbers after 200.

 

[nick]

At risk of going completely off topic.

• Although an annoyance, "up to 50% off " means savings of between 0% and 50% (49.9% anyway), whereas
• "up to 200+" is meaningless, being perfectly good individual words turned meaningless by of the order in which they are combined . As has already been pointed out

 

[jimbarkanoodle]

at least 200? And however many more the better?

 

[BusLanes]

The Met have asked that it loses its licence indefinitely.

Brixton 02 Academy faces indefinite closure as Met ‘loses confidence’ in operator

The Met Police have submitted an application for Brixton O2 to have licence revoked, saying it has ‘lost confidence’ in the operator

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Well that sucks.

 

[spitfire]

It says in the article that another operator will probably take it on in the (likely) event that AMG lose their licence permanently.

I hope so and I hope they do a better job for the punters and staff.

 

[editor]

It says in the article that another operator will probably take it on in the (likely) event that AMG lose their licence permanently.

I hope so and I hope they do a better job for the punters and staff.

The extended closure is having a terrible knock-on effect for local businesses who rely on the huge crowds coming into the area....

*but obviously the place should remain closed if the operators can't guarantee people's safety

 

[edcraw]

Twitter really is awful some times.

 

[Winot]

Can’t see Lambeth going against Met advice.

 

[edcraw]

Can’t see Lambeth going against Met advice.

Yep - and the venue should be bending over backwards to show how nothing like that could happen again which doesn’t sound like is the case.

 

[Tricky Skills]

The Academy had some beefy legal representation at the first Licensing hearing. They offered voluntary closure for a period of three months, rather than be told by Lambeth that they had to close. It was a subtle argument - being the good guys, rather than having it on their record that the Met recommended closure.

Have to say this latest development is quite a surprise.