F1 2024
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Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Max drives like me playing F1 - just run anyone about to pass me off the road.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
8 points behind still. Next week, almost certainly.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
I've no comment on the late Max/Lando move. But a penalty when there wasn't anything for the lap 1 turn 1 incident where Verstappen rosberged (tm) it up the inside and didn't bother with the corner?
Lap 1 rightly has more leeway with the stewards than the rest of the race but that should apply to incidents where there's not enough track for the number of cars, not drivers who stop giving a shit about turning.
Lap 1 rightly has more leeway with the stewards than the rest of the race but that should apply to incidents where there's not enough track for the number of cars, not drivers who stop giving a shit about turning.
taperoo2k
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Might be a case of McLaren probably wins the constructors, Max wins the drivers title (unless he DNF's) with Redbull being
beaten into 3rd by Ferrari.
I know McLaren have a new floor, so hopefully that will give them some extra pace. Though I don't think the track really
suited the McLaren until the fuel burned off a bit. Whatever happens, Lando can learn from this and be prepared for
next season assuming McLaren hopefully has a title challenger from the get go. They need to sharpen up the strategy side
of things but they have signed Redbull's head of strategy. But he won't be joining McLaren until Mid 2026.
Anyway should be an exciting end to the season. As for the stewards? They need to send them to
specsavers. Very inconsistent decisions, all I ask for is consistency and fairness.
beaten into 3rd by Ferrari.
I know McLaren have a new floor, so hopefully that will give them some extra pace. Though I don't think the track really
suited the McLaren until the fuel burned off a bit. Whatever happens, Lando can learn from this and be prepared for
next season assuming McLaren hopefully has a title challenger from the get go. They need to sharpen up the strategy side
of things but they have signed Redbull's head of strategy. But he won't be joining McLaren until Mid 2026.
Anyway should be an exciting end to the season. As for the stewards? They need to send them to
specsavers. Very inconsistent decisions, all I ask for is consistency and fairness.
Limejuice
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That was a good scrap for third. Much better than a parade from start to finish.
It reminds me of my last job.
I like a good, strong, bollock-kicking assessment.
It reminds me of my last job.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Good to see we still have other team in the mix for the rest of the season
interpretation of the rule still appears a little to much in max favour but what can you do
as for Nando if he closed out the first corner on lap, he might not of been in the same situation
get more aggressive lando
interpretation of the rule still appears a little to much in max favour but what can you do
as for Nando if he closed out the first corner on lap, he might not of been in the same situation
get more aggressive lando
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Good race.
Limejuice
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Indeed it was.
Even my wife watched all the way through.
(She called Max's beneficial treatment at the end "another free lollipop for the whinging fucking baby".)
taperoo2k
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I think the only thing Davidson was right about was the plea for gravel in that corner.
Limejuice
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Hola! It's another race weekend.
Mexico beckons, offering the conventional medley of practice sessions. None of those new-fangled sprint racelets.
The UK telly times will be:
Fri 25 Oct
FP1 - 19:30
FP2 - 23:00
Sat 26 Oct
FP3 - 18:30
Qual - 22:00
Sun 27 Oct
Race - 20:00
In Austin, Nozza tossed away his pole position in the first corner. This week, I bet my near-finished Biro that Nozza will lose 4 or more places by the end of the first lap. Who wants a piece of that delicious pen action?
Edit: Don't forget the clocks in the UK go back an hour on Sunday 27th. Revel in that UTC certainty!
Mexico beckons, offering the conventional medley of practice sessions. None of those new-fangled sprint racelets.
The UK telly times will be:
Fri 25 Oct
FP1 - 19:30
FP2 - 23:00
Sat 26 Oct
FP3 - 18:30
Qual - 22:00
Sun 27 Oct
Race - 20:00
In Austin, Nozza tossed away his pole position in the first corner. This week, I bet my near-finished Biro that Nozza will lose 4 or more places by the end of the first lap. Who wants a piece of that delicious pen action?
Edit: Don't forget the clocks in the UK go back an hour on Sunday 27th. Revel in that UTC certainty!
taperoo2k
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He always had a long shot at winning the drivers title, given the RB20 was quick before it fall off the edge of a cliff. The real battle is with the Constructors championship, it's what McLaren want badly (last time they won it was back in 1998). They've not won it since 1998. Not convinced Redbull fixed the car, both Ferrari's looked dominant. Maybe we'll see McLaren back to being fast given Mexico is a normal race weekend. Not surprised they held off
on introducing the new floor given the US Grand Prix was a sprint weekend. They've not updated the main design of the floor since Miami.
1%er
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'inconsistent' stewards International media reacts
The Times- Norris riled by stewards’ ‘guesswork’ as Verstappen elbows title rival aside Starting in the United Kingdom, The Times has focused on Lando Norris' frustration with the stewards for penalising him. Norris caught Verstappen quickly in the latter stages and attempted to go around the outside of Verstappen at Turn 12 on lap 52. Both drivers went off the circuit, however, Norris rejoined ahead of Verstappen. McLaren felt the penalty was wrong, and insisted that Norris had been forced off the circuit. The stewards were criticised by McLaren team principal Andrea Stella for taking "inappropriate" action.
La Gazzetta dello Sport - 'Leclerc: "Now let's take the Constructors' World Championship". In Italy, La Gazzetta dello Sport has spoken extensively about Ferrari's remarkable race at the Circuit of the Americas. Ferrari looked quick throughout the USGP but never quite put everything together, until the race. Leclerc went from fourth to first at the first corner with a brilliant move, which saw the Monégasque cut up the inside of Norris, Verstappen and Sainz. From that moment, Leclerc was untouchable, whilst Sainz undercut Verstappen to complete the Ferrari one-two. Now, the Maranello-based team is just 48 points behind McLaren in the championship and with a car that looks capable of fighting for the title.
L'Equipe - 'Lando Norris penalised after overtaking Max Verstappen: "A bit of an inconsistent decision". In France, L'Equipe has also spoken about Norris' penalty for overtaking Verstappen off the circuit. Specifically, the newspaper has focused on comments from the British driver, who is now 57 points behind the championship leader. Norris criticised the stewards to Canal+ for making "inconsistent decisions", with the 24-year-old certain he was forced off the circuit.
De Telegraaf - 'Lando Norris lashes out after penalty in fight with Verstappen: "What Max did was not right". In the Netherlands, Norris' penalty is also the big discussion in De Telegraaf, and in particular his comments towards the stewards.
The Briton was adamant after the race that Verstappen's driving "was not right" and that the three-time world champion went too far. Several comparisons were made after the race to Verstappen's battles in 2021 against Lewis Hamilton, particularly in Brazil and Saudi Arabia. On those occasions, both drivers also went off the circuit whilst the Red Bull driver was on the inside.
BILD - 'Serious accusation from Mercedes boss Toto Wolff' In Germany, BILD has looked at comments made by Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff, who insisted that there were "patterns" in the decisions being made by the stewards. George Russell was another driver to receive a five-second time penalty due to an incident at Turn 12 after he was judged to have forced Valtteri Bottas off the circuit. Wolff completely disagreed with Russell's penalty and was then perplexed as to why Verstappen did not receive one for his incident with Norris. The Mercedes boss told Sky F1 "certain patterns" in decisions needed to be looked into, whilst he described Russell's penalty as "inexplicable".
Herald Sun -Red Bull owns up to Daniel Ricciardo mistake after farcical Singapore scenes. Finally, in Australia, the Herald Sun focused on comments from RB team principal Laurent Mekies, who opened up on the axing of Daniel Ricciardo. Ricciardo was axed after the Singapore Grand Prix and replaced by Liam Lawson for the remaining races, who finished in a superb ninth at the Circuit of the Americas. Ahead of the weekend, Mekies accepted that Ricciardo's departure was "frustrating" and had not been handled in the best way. For the entirety of the Singapore GP, RB worked as if a decision on Ricciardo had yet to be taken. It later transpired the call had been made prior to the weekend.
Boo Radley75
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I think it's a real shame that Colapinto probably isn't going to have a drive next season. In the points again and shaping up to be a great rookie.
taperoo2k
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Williams should have had Colapinto in the car from the get go. Sauber still has a seat open, though I guess as its soon to be Audi they might
want a more experienced driver alongside Hulkenberg.
1%er
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F1 2024 Mexico City GP – FP3 Results
| Pos | Driver | Team | Gap |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Oscar Piastri | McLaren | 1:16.492 |
| 2 | Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.059 |
| 3 | Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +0.340 |
| 4 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.511 |
| 5 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.568 |
| 6 | Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +0.740 |
| 7 | Yuki Tsunoda | RB | +0.810 |
| 8 | George Russell | Mercedes | +0.849 |
| 9 | Kevin Magnussen | Haas | +0.982 |
| 10 | Liam Lawson | RB | +1.002 |
| 11 | Alexander Albon | Williams | +1.019 |
| 12 | Valtteri Bottas | Sauber | +1.147 |
| 13 | Franco Colapinto | Williams | +1.220 |
| 14 | Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +1.295 |
| 15 | Fernando Alonso | Aston Martin | +1.306 |
| 16 | Nico Hulkenberg | Haas | +1.327 |
| 17 | Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +1.408 |
| 18 | Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +1.832 |
| 19 | Zhou Guanyu | Sauber | +1.936 |
| 20 | Pierre Gasly | Alpine | +1.962 |
1%er
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Verstappen and Norris engaged in direct exchanges during drivers' meeting
The drivers' meeting ahead of the Mexican Grand Prix has been described as "lively". A discussion about the incident between Max Verstappen and Lando Norris was at the top of the agenda and the two are said to have engaged in "calm" and "respectful" discussion. The briefing focused on the penalty Norris got and Verstappen's defending. Several drivers reportedly felt Verstappen was taking advantage of a grey area in the regulations when defending.Are tensions starting to rise between Verstappen and Norris?
The actions in the United States had broader consequences in the World Championship. Norris is trying to close down a gap to Verstappen in the World Championship and was desperate to get ahead of his rival on track last week. According to Sky Sports News reporter Craig Slater, the drivers engaged in direct conversation. "It was a lively drivers' meeting in Mexico City overnight and there were direct exchanges between Lando Norris and Max Verstappen about defending and overtaking. But I’ve been told they were "calm" and "respectful"," Slater said. It seems that the FIA will revise the wording of the regulations when it comes to Verstappen's defending. The FIA then explained why a penalty was handed out to Norris, and some drivers did not agree with it. The FIA will also revise the wording in this area as well.
1%er
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Tsunoda receives Red Bull Racing call-up
Tsunoda has emerged as a candidate to replace the under fire and underperforming Sergio Perez for 2025. The Japanese driver was not considered a viable alternative until recently, for reasons he himself was unclear of. Perez’s prolonged slump is a significant concern for Red Bull Racing with his lack of contribution likely to see the team slip to third in the constructors’ championship. That comes with a significant financial penalty with the sport’s prize money paid out based on finishing position in the teams’ competition. Perez has a contract for 2025, and Horner has supported the embattled 34-year-old, though that stopped short of confirming he would remain in the car next season.“It’s been a bad year for Checo,” the Red Bull Racing boss admitted. “He started strongly and obviously he’s struggled for form since pretty much Imola onwards. It’s been sporadic. We saw flashes of performance, Azerbaijan, arguably he could have won that race almost a month ago. So we know what he’s capable of and we’re hoping that we can give him a set-up and the confidence in the car to extract the kind of performances that we know he’s very capable of. Checo’s our driver. He’s contracted for 2025,” Horner added. “He’s competitive. He’s hungry. He’s not happy with where he currently is. As a team, we’re doing our very best to support him.”
Liam Lawson’s mid-season promotion in favour of Daniel Ricciardo has been viewed as offering the New Zealander an opportunity to make his case for the Red Bull Racing seat next season. He recently completed a Pirelli tyre test for the senior team at Mugello (one of a handful of such outings in recent months), logging over 100 laps in an outing that also afforded the team an opportunity to assess him more closely. Tsunoda is now set to be given a similar opportunity with Horner confirming he’ll drive for Red Bull Racing at the end of season test in Abu Dhabi. “Yuki, obviously, again, is a member of the junior team,” Horner said. “It’s something that we have discussed with Honda. It’s something that’s been agreed for quite some time and it will again be good to give him a run and get the opportunity to work with Red Bull Racing engineers and see how he performs in a Red Bull Racing car.”
The post-season test sees team field two cars, one with an established race driver and another with a ‘young’ driver. With Tsunoda at Red Bull Racing essentially fulfilling the role of the latter, it suggests Isack Hadjar will pilot the other car. For the purposes of the test, Lawson is no longer considered a young driver and is instead expected to remain with RB for the outing. Who joins him remains unclear with Arvid Lindblad arguably next in line in the Red Bull program. However, the 17-year-old is only set to graduate to Formula 2 for 2025 and, therefore, a year away from being ready for F1 consideration. That could see Ayumu Iwasa called into action, having been campaigning in Super Formula this season, or F2 racer Pepe Marti. The post-season test takes place on the Tuesday following the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
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