F*cking nightmare of a bastard commute

[nuffsaid]

Four quid is effectively bugger all - in comparison to amount of time trapped on a stationary train.

And another thing *soapbox mode* I've noticed is if a train is running late the driver goes faster to ensure the train arrives 29 or 59 minutes late, obviously a deliberate ploy to reduce claims. The bastards.

They also deliberately not stop at stations they were scheduled to do so if it means the arrival time at the end destination means they'll get loads of delay-repay claims. So long as there's another train behind that the people they refuse to then pick up won't also be more than 30 mins delayed...bastads.

 

[teuchter]

I reckon the previous two posts are most likely 95% nonsense.

 

[kabbes]

I reckon the previous two posts are most likely 95% nonsense.

It’s certainly the case that SW trains have started cancelling intermediate stops when their trains are running late. I’m generally grateful for the fact, since I’m going to the end of the line. I have wondered at the motivation, though, and wouldn’t be surprised if it was money related.

 

[High Voltage]

They also deliberately not stop at stations they were scheduled to do so if it means the arrival time at the end destination means they'll get loads of delay-repay claims. So long as there's another train behind that the people they refuse to then pick up won't also be more than 30 mins delayed...bastads.

But what about the people who want to get off at those "missed" stops? - I would be right royally pissed off if the train I was on, merrily swanned through my stop and onto the next "big town"

 

[OzT]

But what about the people who want to get off at those "missed" stops? - I would be right royally pissed off if the train I was on, merrily swanned through my stop and onto the next "big town"

They always stop at a station before they go fast where you can pick the next train up that do stop at all stations. Bit of a bummer if you already had a seat as chance is you'll be standing rest of the way on the next train, but generally you won't be more than 5 minutes later, but it is an inconvience.

There's a petetion to get the franchise off SWR starting here. I personally don't think it wil lget anywhere or make any difference. Wish they had stuck with SWT.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

They always stop at a station before they go fast where you can pick the next train up that do stop at all stations. Bit of a bummer if you already had a seat as chance is you'll be standing rest of the way on the next train, but generally you won't be more than 5 minutes later, but it is an inconvience.

5 minutes? More like 30 minutes at a minimum if you don't live in the pampered south east. Trains certainly don't run every 5 minutes in the North of England.

 

[OzT]

with apoligies to our fellow breatherns oop t'north .. . . .

 

[Puddy_Tat]

It’s certainly the case that SW trains have started cancelling intermediate stops when their trains are running late.

i've had this less often under the new franchise. maybe it's just chance / who's on duty in the control room

5 minutes? More like 30 minutes at a minimum if you don't live in the pampered south east. Trains certainly don't run every 5 minutes in the North of England.

or to many smaller stations in the south east

 

[Throbbing Angel]

5 minutes? More like 30 minutes at a minimum if you don't live in the pampered south east. Trains certainly don't run every 5 minutes in the North of England.

^T^H^I^S^

 

[High Voltage]

They always stop at a station before they go fast where you can pick the next train up that do stop at all stations . . .

Is it announced over the intercom that they're missing the stop (two stops ahead) and that you'd better get off at this stop as we're not going to stop at the stop you want? How does it work then - you might've guessed that I'm not a regular train user (or, for that matter, any public transport user)

 

[kabbes]

Is it announced over the intercom that they're missing the stop (two stops ahead) and that you'd better get off at this stop as we're not going to stop at the stop you want? How does it work then - you might've guessed that I'm not a regular train user (or, for that matter, any public transport user)

It works the same way everything else works on the train: fuck the commuter.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

or to many smaller stations in the south east

No doubt - probably most train services across the country are shite.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

^T^H^I^S^

It's grim up north.

 

[OzT]

Is it announced over the intercom that they're missing the stop (two stops ahead) and that you'd better get off at this stop as we're not going to stop at the stop you want? How does it work then - you might've guessed that I'm not a regular train user (or, for that matter, any public transport user)

Yes the guard always announce it, and at the last stop before going fast will say again. It is also shown on the departure boards, though to be fair people don't usually look at them.

It is a nusience but I think it is the way TOCs get to keep to their schedules

 

[nuffsaid]

But what about the people who want to get off at those "missed" stops? - I would be right royally pissed off if the train I was on, merrily swanned through my stop and onto the next "big town"

They announce that the train has become a no stopping service at a bigger station further up the line so people can get off and get the next one, as they do this at the larger stations it means those people also will not be delayed by more than 30mins as the next stopping train will arrive before half an hour so not incurring a delay repay. All they care about is profit.

 

[High Voltage]

I'll stick to me car then

 

[Miss-Shelf]

What is it with queuing on the Jubilee Line? It started at Canary Wharf and I put it down to them not being proper Londoners or something

But now it's spread to Canada Water and London Bridge

It gets in the way if walking down the platform

 

[Badgers]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It is a nusience but I think it is the way TOCs get to keep to their schedules

A nuisance? Train not stopping at the stop it is supposed to and is where you live? As long as the TOC gets to keep to its schedule I'm happy to forgo seeing my kids of an evening.

 

[Teaboy]

Its certainly true that cancellations have become normal round my way since SW Railways took over from SWT. This was never the case previously and I know people had a lot of grumbles with SWT but we actually did alright with them. The service has turned to utter garbage since SWR took over, its not all bad news though as my g/f did get a small pack of mints from them the other day. So when you weigh that up against daily cancellations, horribly overcrowded trains as a result and her having to get up earlier and earlier and home later and later I guess it about evens out.

 

[OzT]

I have spare packs of those mints in my office if you want more Teaboy!! lol!! Took me a whiel to work out how to open them

Yes many many disgruntled people with SWR

 

[Winot]

Greater Anglia sued by passenger over 'continuous' delays

 

[kabbes]

Teuchter will be along in a minute to tell us it’s all in our heads and better than when it was in the hands of the government.

 

[teuchter]

No, I've never said either of those things, although I fully expect that I'll continue to be misrepresented on those points.

But I will remind you that it *is* largely in the hands of the government. Regarding that Greater Anglia case, the implication of the article is that 77% of the delays were not attributed to Greater Anglia, and therefore I would expect that the majority are attributed to Network Rail which is state owned and directed by the government.

It's interesting that it seems he has managed to get a judgement that he's due that much despite nearly all of his delays being pretty minor (under 15 minutes). I think the figure is actually based on GA's failure to show up for mediation.

Is people making court claims against rail companies for relatively minor delays something folk would like to see set a precedent? Just like now, the money will have to come from somewhere and just like now, most of that money will likely find its way back to claims against Network Rail, ie. from the public purse and/or increases in train fares.

Let's not forget that these delay repay schemes originate in John Major's "Citizen's Charter" introduced in 1992 to incentivise better "service" from public companies that were percieved to be underperforming, including British Rail.

 

[davesgcr]

This "non stopping" is referred to as "service recovery" , though it might make you somewhat pissed off, the train operator will have to justify this to the DfT on every single case , - the "letting off the hook" is not always agreed to by the civil servants .....(assuming that they actually understand the whole process and what was trying to be achieved...) ......no further comment on that frankly.

 

[Dogsauce]

Nice day to take the nipper to Brockwell lido I thought. Not a nice day to spend over 2hrs getting there on buses from Angel, including a 26 minute wait for a 59 at St Pancras in the filthy air there. Literally walking speed. London is broken today. Too many taxis, too many delivery vans parked in bus lanes with their hazards on. He’ll have fallen asleep by the time we get there.

 

[tommers]

Southern outdoing themselves today. 3 separate signal failures. Which means that the last three trains have effectively been cancelled and who knows when the next one is.

Well done Fellas.

 

[kabbes]

I got about £36 back from March delay repay in the end.

So far I’m at about £13 for April.

 

[teuchter]

Southern outdoing themselves today. 3 separate signal failures. Which means that the last three trains have effectively been cancelled and who knows when the next one is.

Well done Fellas.

As Bungle73 is no longer with us I'm going to have to take on the task of reminding you that southern aren't responsible for the signals.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Southern outdoing themselves today. 3 separate signal failures. Which means that the last three trains have effectively been cancelled and who knows when the next one is.

Well done Fellas.

Signals were fucked in the NW too today. Must be the rails turning to molten steel in the excessive heat. Or something.

There seemed to be a fair bit of signal fuckage across the network today when I looked earlier this afternoon.