F*cking nightmare of a bastard commute

[Bungle73]

it's not fair on people who are desperate to use a toilet to have to scramble around for change. I often need to use the loo after a long coach journey.

Coaches tend to have toilets these day don't they? But why would you be in at a London terminus station if you've just got off a coach? Coaches stop at Victoria Coach station, which presumably has its onw facilities.

Many people have medical conditions which make it necessary for frequent loo visits and it's not fair to charge them every time. Costs of running these loos should be absorbed by the already exorbitant tickets prices.

So why can't those people use a Radar key....?

 

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There are far too few public toilets around these days and the problem is getting worse. Many who use stations are fare paying customers. There are, I imagine, few who walk in off the street to use station loos and if so, so what. Not everyone who has the need has a radar key. Many public buildings have free loos, why not a station? The stations these days are full of concessions paying, I imagine huge amounts to Network Rail. Besides, Victoria coined in £1.4 last year through the loos alone! Thats just goes towards their upkeep - NOT.
keep em free!

 

[Orang Utan]

Coaches tend to have toilets these day don't they? But why would you be in at a London terminus station if you've just got off a coach? Coaches stop at Victoria Coach station, which presumably has its onw facilities.



So why can't those people use a Radar key....?

Victoria Coach Station is also a station, just not a train station. One that should offer free toilet facilities. Not everyone has a Radar key (I can only presume what one is). Not everyone wants to go to the toilet on a moving coach.
They're quite easy to dodge luckily, but one day I won't be so nimble.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Bungle, devoid of the milk of human kindness as usual.

 

[Bungle73]

Victoria Coach Station is also a station, just not a train station. One that should offer free toilet facilities. Not everyone has a Radar key (I can only presume what one is). Not everyone wants to go to the toilet on a moving coach.
They're quite easy to dodge luckily, but one day I won't be so nimble.

Well don't you think people with needs should actually use the facilities that have already been provided, and paid for, instead of moaning about having to pay a nominal fee to use the standard toilet? And why have you suddenly brought Vic coach station into this when the topic is railway stations?

Bungle, devoid of the milk of human kindness as usual.

Just because some people need to pay a paltry 50p to use a toilet in certain locations? Get real.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's not my logic at all. If you're on a train then you are a paying customer. Joe Bloggs who walks into a station off the street isn't, necessarily, a paying customer. Just like someone who walks into a restaurant or pub without actually buying anything isn't a paying customer. I'd like to see you demanding to use the toilet at any of those establishments making out that it was some sort of "right" and see how far you get.

And all the money NR has gets invested back into the railway. NR who are heavily in debt btw.

I'm often on a train and not a paying my customer, fare dodgers need to shit an'all you know.

Many 100% private businesses have signed up to council initiatives to allow anyone to use their lavs in exchange for the council withdrawing facilities and increasing business rates, so if they can do it whilst getting shafted, why can't Network Rail offer free facilities for those in need but lacking cash?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just because some people need to pay a paltry 50p to use a toilet in certain locations? Get real.

50p is a lot to many people. And for those of us fortunate enough that it is not a lot we still need to have it, the gates don't take cards or Apple Pay, so need to go to a cash point, draw out a tenner, break it down with some over priced shit you didn't want in Smiths, all so you can have a widdle, which, incidentally, costs the same as a full-on shit. Where's the fucking justice in that?

 

[moon]

This...

Perhaps an answer would be to have business hubs where you rented a desk in a place local to your house in an office that had business services and other humans doing similar..? (without it being like the wanky Old St Start-up type places)

 

[Bungle73]

I'm often on a train and not a paying my customer, fare dodgers need to shit an'all you know.

Many 100% private businesses have signed up to council initiatives to allow anyone to use their lavs in exchange for the council withdrawing facilities and increasing business rates, so if they can do it whilst getting shafted, why can't Network Rail offer free facilities for those in need but lacking cash?

Because those probably don't get anywhere near the sort throughput that a public convenience at a major railway station gets. And that is something that they have chosen to do, just as NR has decided to make it free at these two stations (for now), but I don't see why other organisations should lambasted for not providing free facilities to all-comers.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Because those probably don't get anywhere near the sort throughput that a public convenience at a major railway station gets.

Even more reason to make sure there's plenty of bogs for everyone then and not just a monied elite.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Just because some people need to pay a paltry 50p to use a toilet in certain locations? Get real.

Because those probably don't get anywhere near the sort throughput that a public convenience at a major railway station gets. And that is something that they have chosen to do, just as NR has decided to make it free at these two stations (for now), but I don't see why other organisations should lambasted for not providing free facilities to all-comers.

You really are a bit of a knob. A mean spirited one at that.

I sincerely hope that you're never in a position due to health problems to need easy and free (due to financial contraints) access to a toilet. Because if you do you will see the utter folly of your ways.

A thoroughly unpleasant attitude you have displayed on this issue. Frankly, you are a disgrace.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You really are a bit of a knob. A mean spirited one at that.

I sincerely hope that you're never in a position due to health problems to need easy and free (due to financial contraints) access to a toilet. Because if you do you will see the utter folly of your ways.

A thoroughly unpleasant attitude you have displayed on this issue. Frankly, you are a disgrace.

Health issues and lack of cash often go hand in hand.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Health issues and lack of cash often go hand in hand.

Indeed - we all know that, but the mighty Bungle can't see it. It says a lot about his attitude to life and compassion for humanity that he thinks 'fuck you' if everyone has to pay to use the toilet.

 

[Bungle73]

Even more reason to make sure there's plenty of bogs for everyone then and not just a monied elite.

Monied elite? Oh don't absolute bollocks. That has to be the most downright asinine thing anyone has ever said on here. We're talking about 50 god damned pence, no millions of pounds ffs,

You really are a bit of a knob. A mean spirited one at that.

I sincerely hope that you're never in a position due to health problems to need easy and free (due to financial contraints) access to a toilet. Because if you do you will see the utter folly of your ways.

A thoroughly unpleasant attitude you have displayed on this issue. Frankly, you are a disgrace.

You're a fucking disgrace talking like that to me. All they need to do is a get a Radar key. What is so fucking difficult about that?? So I suggest you shut up and stop talking fucking bollocks, and you owe me an apology.

 

[Bungle73]

I've got an "unpleasant attitude" because I think people should actually use the faciites that money has been spent on providing for them?? FUCK OFF!

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Monied elite? Oh don't absolute bollocks. That has to be the most downright asinine thing anyone has ever said on here. We're talking about 50 god damned pence, no millions of pounds ffs,


You're a fucking disgrace talking like that to me. All they need to do is a get a Radar key. What is so fucking difficult about that?? So I suggest you shut up and stop talking fucking bollocks, and you owe me an apology.

50p x family of six = three pounds, quite an outlay for family to spend a penny.



Radar key? Many people would rather not choose to identify in a manner that would require one, it seems you feel that they should be penalised for that. Bit scummy of you Bugle.

 

[Bungle73]

50p x family of six = three pounds, quite an outlay for family to spend a penny.

I can't take you seriously any more. Anyone who uses the phrase "monied elite" over 50p to go to the toilet doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And so, someone has the money to feed and clothe four kids, and to pay the train fares for them all, but they don't have 50p for the toilet? Really? And since when do 6 people all need to go into the loo at the same time? It's a frigging public convenience, not a theme park ride.

Radar key? Many people would rather not choose to identify in a manner that would require one, it seems you feel that they should be penalised for that. Bit scummy of you Bugle.

I think we both know that is complete bollocks. Anyone with a legitimate need for one would be under some kind of health care professional, so there is no reason on Earth they couldn't get one.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well don't you think people with needs should actually use the facilities that have already been provided, and paid for, instead of moaning about having to pay a nominal fee to use the standard toilet? And why have you suddenly brought Vic coach station into this when the topic is railway stations?

Not everyone is steady enough on their feet to use a coach toilet. Some people may have hang ups with walking in front of a load of people to go use a toilet - many suffer from social anxiety which may make them reluctant to do so.
The topic wasn't specifically about railway stations. It is surely relevant to bring up coach stations as well as train stations, on a thread about bad travel experiences.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I can't take you seriously any more. Anyone who uses the phrase "monied elite" over 50p to go to the toilet doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And so, someone has the money to feed and clothe four kids, and to pay the train fares for them all, but they don't have 50p for the toilet? Really? And since when do 6 people all need to go into the loo at the same time? It's a frigging public convenience, not a theme park ride.

When travelling with kids you need to ensure that all are refreshed before getting on a train as you can never be sure that the TOC will provide working facilities on board, so a three pound surcharge for low income families in your world, how kind you are.

Dunno what theme parks you go you, the ones I've been to have free bogs for all, not so at Bungleworld

 

[farmerbarleymow]

You're a fucking disgrace talking like that to me. All they need to do is a get a Radar key. What is so fucking difficult about that?? So I suggest you shut up and stop talking fucking bollocks, and you owe me an apology.

I give you the following example, you fucking fuckmuppet.

50p x family of six = three pounds, quite an outlay for family to spend a penny.

Radar key? Many people would rather not choose to identify in a manner that would require one, it seems you feel that they should be penalised for that. Bit scummy of you Bugle.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

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[farmerbarleymow]

PS -bunglyidiot - I certaintly owe you nowt on the apology front.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

For posterity - Bungle73 at his annoying finest...

Waterloo is a lot busier station than Waterloo East, and at WE the toilets are behind the ticket barriers, and at Waterloo they aren't. And I'm not sure how wanting to recoup the money spent on maintaining and cleaning makes them "gouging fucks"?

No, its the duty to provide basic public services free of charge. We all need to go for a piss when out and about, and toilet provision is just part of their overheads that they should absorb.

Err....no it's not.

Why isn't it? Toilets are a fundamental need for all of us. The costs of running them will obviously be paid for through other means, so for stations it is fares, rents levied on shops at the station, etc. It is just common decency to provide these basic services free.

I'm not sure why it is a "duty" for a property owner to provide free toilet facilities for anyone who walks in off the street? Most other businesses won't do that.

*sigh*

Why isn't it a duty for an industry that receives huge amounts of public subsidy to provide free toilet facilities at the train stations? By your logic train operating companies should charge passengers for using the toilets on their trains - it isn't their duty to provide them free after all.

There is a principle of basic civic decency that means some things have to be provided to enable a decent and hygenic environment for everyone. I'd much rather pay by other means for toilets free at the point of use, if that meant that someone with a kid with a dodgy stomach could nip straight in to the loo, rather than the kid shit itself while the parent fumbles for change to get through the barriers (also, people with medical conditions needing more frequent toilet trips).

I know you won't agree because you have a very weird attitude to anything to do with trains and the surrounding infrastructure and can't accept you are ever wrong, but whatever...

That's not my logic at all. If you're on a train then you are a paying customer. Joe Bloggs who walks into a station off the street isn't, necessarily, a paying customer. Just like someone who walks into a restaurant or pub without actually buying anything isn't a paying customer. I'd like to see you demanding to use the toilet at any of those establishments making out that it was some sort of "right" and see how far you get.

And all the money NR has gets invested back into the railway. NR who are heavily in debt btw.

it's not fair on people who are desperate to use a toilet to have to scramble around for change. I often need to use the loo after a long coach journey.
Many people have medical conditions which make it necessary for frequent loo visits and it's not fair to charge them every time. Costs of running these loos should be absorbed by the already exorbitant tickets prices.

We are talking about a part of the infrastructure of the country - not some random shop (although plenty do let people use their toilets, such as department stores). What happens when someone needs the toilet on their journey, only to find the toilets on the train are broken - a very regular occurence. Should they be allowed to use the station toilets free of charge? Or should they receive a refund on their ticket?

The fact is that as some stations do not charge for toilets, it shows that they don't really need to - it is just a steady trickle of useful revenue for them. Everyone pays for the upkeep of the transport network through taxation, and it isn't relevant how much debt Network Rail may have - the costs of toilet provision must be vanishingly small in context of the overall running costs of the railway.

Coaches tend to have toilets these day don't they? But why would you be in at a London terminus station if you've just got off a coach? Coaches stop at Victoria Coach station, which presumably has its onw facilities.
So why can't those people use a Radar key....?

There are far too few public toilets around these days and the problem is getting worse. Many who use stations are fare paying customers. There are, I imagine, few who walk in off the street to use station loos and if so, so what. Not everyone who has the need has a radar key. Many public buildings have free loos, why not a station? The stations these days are full of concessions paying, I imagine huge amounts to Network Rail. Besides, Victoria coined in £1.4 last year through the loos alone! Thats just goes towards their upkeep - NOT.
keep em free!

Victoria Coach Station is also a station, just not a train station. One that should offer free toilet facilities. Not everyone has a Radar key (I can only presume what one is). Not everyone wants to go to the toilet on a moving coach.
They're quite easy to dodge luckily, but one day I won't be so nimble.

Bungle, devoid of the milk of human kindness as usual.

Well don't you think people with needs should actually use the facilities that have already been provided, and paid for, instead of moaning about having to pay a nominal fee to use the standard toilet? And why have you suddenly brought Vic coach station into this when the topic is railway stations?

Just because some people need to pay a paltry 50p to use a toilet in certain locations? Get real.

I'm often on a train and not a paying my customer, fare dodgers need to shit an'all you know.

Many 100% private businesses have signed up to council initiatives to allow anyone to use their lavs in exchange for the council withdrawing facilities and increasing business rates, so if they can do it whilst getting shafted, why can't Network Rail offer free facilities for those in need but lacking cash?

50p is a lot to many people. And for those of us fortunate enough that it is not a lot we still need to have it, the gates don't take cards or Apple Pay, so need to go to a cash point, draw out a tenner, break it down with some over priced shit you didn't want in Smiths, all so you can have a widdle, which, incidentally, costs the same as a full-on shit. Where's the fucking justice in that?

Because those probably don't get anywhere near the sort throughput that a public convenience at a major railway station gets. And that is something that they have chosen to do, just as NR has decided to make it free at these two stations (for now), but I don't see why other organisations should lambasted for not providing free facilities to all-comers.

Even more reason to make sure there's plenty of bogs for everyone then and not just a monied elite.

You really are a bit of a knob. A mean spirited one at that.

I sincerely hope that you're never in a position due to health problems to need easy and free (due to financial contraints) access to a toilet. Because if you do you will see the utter folly of your ways.

A thoroughly unpleasant attitude you have displayed on this issue. Frankly, you are a disgrace.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Health issues and lack of cash often go hand in hand.

Indeed - we all know that, but the mighty Bungle can't see it. It says a lot about his attitude to life and compassion for humanity that he thinks 'fuck you' if everyone has to pay to use the toilet.

Monied elite? Oh don't absolute bollocks. That has to be the most downright asinine thing anyone has ever said on here. We're talking about 50 god damned pence, no millions of pounds ffs,

You're a fucking disgrace talking like that to me. All they need to do is a get a Radar key. What is so fucking difficult about that?? So I suggest you shut up and stop talking fucking bollocks, and you owe me an apology.

I've got an "unpleasant attitude" because I think people should actually use the faciites that money has been spent on providing for them?? FUCK OFF!

50p x family of six = three pounds, quite an outlay for family to spend a penny.

Radar key? Many people would rather not choose to identify in a manner that would require one, it seems you feel that they should be penalised for that. Bit scummy of you Bugle.

I can't take you seriously any more. Anyone who uses the phrase "monied elite" over 50p to go to the toilet doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And so, someone has the money to feed and clothe four kids, and to pay the train fares for them all, but they don't have 50p for the toilet? Really? And since when do 6 people all need to go into the loo at the same time? It's a frigging public convenience, not a theme park ride.

I think we both know that is complete bollocks. Anyone with a legitimate need for one would be under some kind of health care professional, so there is no reason on Earth they couldn't get one.

Not everyone is steady enough on their feet to use a coach toilet. Some people may have hang ups with walking in front of a load of people to go use a toilet - many suffer from social anxiety which may make them reluctant to do so.

The topic wasn't specifically about railway stations. It is surely relevant to bring up coach stations as well as train stations, on a thread about bad travel experiences.

When travelling with kids you need to ensure that all are refreshed before getting on a train as you can never be sure that the TOC will provide working facilities on board, so a three pound surcharge for low income families in your world, how kind you are.

Dunno what theme parks you go you, the ones I've been to have free bogs for all, not so at Bungleworld

 

[Bungle73]

I think this "Farmerbarleywozzit" person has mental health issues. How else can one explain this latest, bizarre, series of posts, and their unhealthy obsession with speaking bollocks and winding me up. I mean lets face it this is not the first time that he's been an arse to me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Coaches tend to have toilets these day don't they? But why would you be in at a London terminus station if you've just got off a coach? Coaches stop at Victoria Coach station, which presumably has its onw facilities.



So why can't those people use a Radar key....?

"Those people"? Cunt.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There are far too few public toilets around these days and the problem is getting worse. Many who use stations are fare paying customers. There are, I imagine, few who walk in off the street to use station loos and if so, so what. Not everyone who has the need has a radar key. Many public buildings have free loos, why not a station? The stations these days are full of concessions paying, I imagine huge amounts to Network Rail. Besides, Victoria coined in £1.4 last year through the loos alone! Thats just goes towards their upkeep - NOT.
keep em free!

In most locations, there's only a single radar-keyed loo per sex, even at such sites as railway termini, hospitals and shopping centres. There aren't enough such loos to go around as is, so anus-bugle73's whine about why can't "those people use a Radar key?" is broken on the rocks of the reality that there aren't enough Radar bogs, or bogs accessible to disabled people generally, to go round.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Victoria Coach Station is also a station, just not a train station. One that should offer free toilet facilities. Not everyone has a Radar key (I can only presume what one is). Not everyone wants to go to the toilet on a moving coach.
They're quite easy to dodge luckily, but one day I won't be so nimble.

Radar keys allow access to locked disabled-accessible toilets in "key" locations in the UK. Radar is the umbrella organisation that lists and publicises them too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You really are a bit of a knob. A mean spirited one at that.

I sincerely hope that you're never in a position due to health problems to need easy and free (due to financial contraints) access to a toilet. Because if you do you will see the utter folly of your ways.

I wouldn't wish such a fate even on as massive a cunt as bungle. It isn't fun having to take a change of clothes and cleaning materials with you every time you go out for more than a few minutes.

A thoroughly unpleasant attitude you have displayed on this issue. Frankly, you are a disgrace.

He has no sympathy and no empathy. It's not "unpleasantness", it's lack of affect - lack of desire or ability to give a shit.