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Thought they'd be a thread on this already, but I couldn't find one. I've been a bit ignoring all this stuff, but it does seem to have had a leap foward recently.

BT job losses (partly related to AI) have been in the news recently, but what are other and more far reaching political & social ramifications of all this?
 
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Funny enough I was thinking about starting a thread on this earlier, I've got major concerns about AI, but I am just on my way out, so I'll comment more tomorrow.
 
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I've a bit ignored it all for years tbh, just been reading more last few weeks with this explosion in it all. Yes, concerning I think it's fair to say.
 
The impact of AI on job losses is a topic of ongoing debate and speculation. While AI has the potential to automate certain tasks and replace some jobs, its overall impact on employment is complex and multifaceted. Here are a few key points to consider:

Job displacement: AI and automation can replace humans in performing repetitive, rule-based tasks. This could lead to the displacement of workers in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and customer service. Jobs that involve routine, predictable activities are most vulnerable to automation.

Job transformation: While AI may eliminate some jobs, it also has the potential to create new ones. AI technologies require skilled workers to develop, implement, and maintain them. New roles and job opportunities can emerge in areas like AI programming, data analysis, robotics, and AI ethics.

Enhanced productivity: AI can enhance productivity by automating routine tasks, enabling workers to focus on more complex and creative work. This shift in tasks can lead to a redefinition of job roles rather than outright job losses.

Economic growth and job creation: AI has the potential to drive economic growth by improving efficiency, innovation, and competitiveness. As industries adopt AI technologies, new business opportunities can arise, leading to job creation in related sectors.

Skills and education: The widespread adoption of AI will likely require workers to acquire new skills to remain relevant in the job market. Continuous learning and upskilling will be crucial to adapt to the changing work environment.

It is important to note that the impact of AI on job losses is not uniform across all industries or regions. Some sectors may experience more significant disruptions, while others may see minimal effects. Additionally, the pace of AI adoption and its societal implications depend on various factors such as technological progress, economic conditions, policy frameworks, and social acceptance.

Overall, while there may be some job displacement due to AI, the long-term effects on employment will depend on how societies and economies adapt to these technological advancements. It is possible that new jobs and opportunities may emerge alongside the changes brought about by AI.
 
I've a bit ignored it all for years tbh, just been reading more last few weeks with this explosion in it all. Yes, concerning I think it's fair to say.

Well it has been in the news a fair bit recently, so whilst I had some concerns in the back of my mind, they have moved forward and I've been thinking about it a little more, and I honestly don't know what to think, I can see some advantages, but there are clearly possible dangers when you have the likes of Elon Musk and Steve Wozniak, a co-founder of Apple, issuing warnings and calling for a pause in development.

More than 1,000 technology leaders and researchers, including Elon Musk, have urged artificial intelligence labs to pause development of the most advanced systems, warning in an open letter that A.I. tools present “profound risks to society and humanity.”

A.I. developers are “locked in an out-of-control race to develop and deploy ever more powerful digital minds that no one — not even their creators — can understand, predict or reliably control,” according to the letter, which the nonprofit Future of Life Institute released on Wednesday.

“These things are shaping our world,” said Gary Marcus, an entrepreneur and academic who has long complained of flaws in A.I. systems, in an interview. “We have a perfect storm of corporate irresponsibility, widespread adoption, lack of regulation and a huge number of unknowns.”

Elon Musk and Others Call for Pause on A.I., Citing ‘Profound Risks to Society’

And, I watched some of Sam Altman, CEO at ChatGPT, in front of the US Senate judiciary subcommittee calling for regulation.

Sam Altman, the chief executive of ChatGPT’s OpenAI, has told legislators in the United States that government regulation of artificial intelligence is “critical” because of the potential risks it poses to humanity.

Altman used his appearance on Tuesday in front of a US Senate judiciary subcommittee to urge Congress to impose new rules on big tech, despite deep political divisions that for years have blocked legislation aimed at regulating the internet.


But, I can't get my head around how regulation could work, when even those working on it don't appear to know where it's heading and the full scope of the risks that could develop, so politicians and civil servant don't have a hope in hell in bringing in proper regulation. And, that's before even considering that any regulation needs to be worldwide, and that's never going to happen.

No doubt corporate greed will come out on top, governments will use it to their own advantages, and most of us will get fucked over, just depends to what degree.
 
It's like all technologies. It could be good, but its implementation by capitalism, by authoritarian governments, by military establishments around the world - none of that will be designed around the actual needs of us human beings or the ecological requirements of the rest of the biosphere.
 
It's like all technologies. It could be good, but its implementation by capitalism, by authoritarian governments, by military establishments around the world - none of that will be designed around the actual needs of us human beings or the ecological requirements of the rest of the biosphere.

I mean I generally agree, but technology isn't entirely neutral as it has the ideologies under which it was developed inherent within it. So while in theory it can be used for 'good or bad' some have a tendency to enable and encourage power in unecological and unegalitarian ways more than others. And given the downfall of capitalism seems unlikely in the near future, how should that guide our positions on new techological developments like AI? I mean clearly they'll be incredible innovations in things like medicine etc. but what about all the other stuff?
 
Various newspaper groups have been testing AI, the results have not been good so far, but no doubt it will improve over time.

Here's a couple of articles from 'Hold the Front Page', a industry news website.

Watchdog warns editors to be ‘vigilant’ in use of robots

Editor issues AI warning after robot fails to write accurate NIBs - NIBs stand for News In Brief, a story where all the essentials has been boiled down to its very essence.

An editor has issued a warning about the use of artificial intelligence after a robot produced inaccurate information and cited “fictitious” sources after being asked to write NIBs for his newspaper.

Although with some reporters and writers you'll not be able to tell the difference.
 
I mean I generally agree, but technology isn't entirely neutral as it has the ideologies under which it was developed inherent within it. So while in theory it can be used for 'good or bad' some have a tendency to enable and encourage power in unecological and unegalitarian ways more than others. And given the downfall of capitalism seems unlikely in the near future, how should that guide our positions on new techological developments like AI? I mean clearly they'll be incredible innovations in things like medicine etc. but what about all the other stuff?
Might lead to some better posts on here
 
Once Mr Llama has installed the XenForo AI module then threads like this will automatically be started before we even know it's what we want to talk about.

Might lead to some better posts on here

If a AI module came for xenForo, it would probably learn from contents already posted on here, and start mega-bun-flights with certain posters, calling people cunts all over the place, and telling everyone to fuck off.
 
I mean I generally agree, but technology isn't entirely neutral as it has the ideologies under which it was developed inherent within it. So while in theory it can be used for 'good or bad' some have a tendency to enable and encourage power in unecological and unegalitarian ways more than others. And given the downfall of capitalism seems unlikely in the near future, how should that guide our positions on new techological developments like AI? I mean clearly they'll be incredible innovations in things like medicine etc. but what about all the other stuff?
Once upon a time you could go into a shop and ask for an item, be told it was out of stock and then ask when it will be in stock and potentially get it ordered. That is still true sometimes, but more generally no-one at the shop-floor level knows anything or has any control. Decisions are made way up high, sometimes in a different country, often by algorithms or programs. That kind of stuff has been happening for yonks. When AI gets more prominent we may not notice much difference. We will still be at the mercy of what seems like arbitrary decisions, in a society where all real decisions are made in an alternate reality. A greater danger comes when even the decision makers relinquish control. No-one will have any idea what is going on.
 
Amara's Law is relevant again here I think: “We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.”
 
Amara's Law is relevant again here I think: “We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.”
AI is a spammer's/scammer's/conspiracy nut's dream come true.

That's not to say it won't have some positive impacts - I use it regularly for photos and writing - but there's going to some horrendous shit ahead.
 
Novara interviewed Ian Hogarth very recently about AI etc.



Well, that was both interesting and somewhat terrifying!

There's so much money being invested, just 'Open AI' alone is valued at about $30 billion, that capitalist competition between various seriously big businesses has turbocharged development, and when people thought a certain stage of development would take, for example, another 2-3 years it is now taking a month or even just a week, the money is simply being spent on beating the competition, with little consideration to it being safe.

He talked about all sorts of things currently bubbling away in the background, that people's don't really know about nor have given thought to, that will burst out at some point, and cause outrage and all sorts of problem. An example is people using AL to produce porn using 'deep fakes' of real people, and this includes child porn, which will also be complex for the police to deal with, as in does the image depict real sexual abuse or is it AI generated. He thinks making 'deep fakes' will end-up being banned, but then there's the problem of enforcement, across the global.

Basically, people will find ways of misusing it that currently haven't even been thought of, thus making it impossible for legislators to keep up.

He also spoke of the investment that has turbocharged development of humanoid robotics, and combined with AI, will be able to increasingly do more and more jobs, and it's not unrealistic that they will be able to do 95% of jobs that humans currently do in as little as 20-30 years. Although, I guess once they have reached that point, it will take another period of time for them to be completely rolled out.

No wonder that so many experts in the industry are raising their concerns.

Despite not being a conspiracy nut, if I was likely to still be around when/if the worst happens, that video and the fact that no one, not even the developers, knows where this is going, my current concerns would raise to the 'holy shit' level, and I would be having nightmares of the robot armies coming after us! :eek:

Multiple fully Tesla-made bots now walking around & learning about the real world -



OK people, this isn’t funny anymore. It seems that the Boston Dynamics robots — which are off-putting enough when they’re being controlled the usual way (er, via algorithms, probably, or maybe a very sophisticated clicker) — can now be controlled by ChatGPT. Yes, that ChatGPT, the one known for doing middle schoolers’ homework for them and making stuff up.

But nobody is fooling Gary Marcus, professor emeritus in psychology and neural science at New York University, who asked hypothetically, “What could possibly go wrong? A lot.”

“ChatGPT still lacks reliable common sense,” Marcus told the Globe. “Put that in a robot and you could easily wind up with a robot doing dangerous things, or just not doing what you expect.”

It’s a concern that apparently played into “godfather of AI” Dr. Geoffrey Hinton’s recent decision to step down from his post at Google, and even tell the New York Times that he has regrets about his life’s work.

“It is hard to see how you can prevent the bad actors from using it for bad things,” Hinton told the Times, noting also that, according to the newspaper, “he fears a day when truly autonomous weapons — those killer robots — become reality.”

 
Well it has been in the news a fair bit recently, so whilst I had some concerns in the back of my mind, they have moved forward and I've been thinking about it a little more, and I honestly don't know what to think, I can see some advantages, but there are clearly possible dangers when you have the likes of Elon Musk and Steve Wozniak, a co-founder of Apple, issuing warnings and calling for a pause in development.





Elon Musk and Others Call for Pause on A.I., Citing ‘Profound Risks to Society’

And, I watched some of Sam Altman, CEO at ChatGPT, in front of the US Senate judiciary subcommittee calling for regulation.




But, I can't get my head around how regulation could work, when even those working on it don't appear to know where it's heading and the full scope of the risks that could develop, so politicians and civil servant don't have a hope in hell in bringing in proper regulation. And, that's before even considering that any regulation needs to be worldwide, and that's never going to happen.

No doubt corporate greed will come out on top, governments will use it to their own advantages, and most of us will get fucked over, just depends to what degree.
it has been said a few times on the other AI thread but the founders of these AI companies "pleading for regulation" is more about them wanting to ringfence their work, make it harder for new young upstarts to get in on their act, and get them first to the queue for govt subsidies. it also legitimises the idea that they're in charge of world-changing tech, which also helps when raising more money. not to completely dismiss the idea that this is all happening very fast and could be a bad thing - MIT had a chatbot called Eliza in 1966; usage of voice assistants has fallen off a cliff after the hype of Alexa etc - but I think we need to understand the primary motivation of many of the people saying it.
 
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The impact of AI on job losses is a topic of ongoing debate and speculation. While AI has the potential to automate certain tasks and replace some jobs, its overall impact on employment is complex and multifaceted. Here are a few key points to consider:

Job displacement: AI and automation can replace humans in performing repetitive, rule-based tasks. This could lead to the displacement of workers in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and customer service. Jobs that involve routine, predictable activities are most vulnerable to automation.

Job transformation: While AI may eliminate some jobs, it also has the potential to create new ones. AI technologies require skilled workers to develop, implement, and maintain them. New roles and job opportunities can emerge in areas like AI programming, data analysis, robotics, and AI ethics.

Enhanced productivity: AI can enhance productivity by automating routine tasks, enabling workers to focus on more complex and creative work. This shift in tasks can lead to a redefinition of job roles rather than outright job losses.

Economic growth and job creation: AI has the potential to drive economic growth by improving efficiency, innovation, and competitiveness. As industries adopt AI technologies, new business opportunities can arise, leading to job creation in related sectors.

Skills and education: The widespread adoption of AI will likely require workers to acquire new skills to remain relevant in the job market. Continuous learning and upskilling will be crucial to adapt to the changing work environment.

It is important to note that the impact of AI on job losses is not uniform across all industries or regions. Some sectors may experience more significant disruptions, while others may see minimal effects. Additionally, the pace of AI adoption and its societal implications depend on various factors such as technological progress, economic conditions, policy frameworks, and social acceptance.

Overall, while there may be some job displacement due to AI, the long-term effects on employment will depend on how societies and economies adapt to these technological advancements. It is possible that new jobs and opportunities may emerge alongside the changes brought about by AI.
I see what you did there. Or didn't.
 
I was saying recently regarding how clever some scams can be even if there are people behind them that it won't be long before some kind of voice bot can intimately pretend to be someone close you know, ring you up and even appear to to be their number before winging some scam or another on you.

Yes my tin foil hat is firmly in place ready to hide for the future.
 
I was saying recently regarding how clever some scams can be even if there are people behind them that it won't be long before some kind of voice bot can intimately pretend to be someone close you know, ring you up and even appear to to be their number before winging some scam or another on you.

Yes my tin foil hat is firmly in place ready to hide for the future.

Already happened, and not anything tinfoil hat related.
 
Job displacement: AI and automation can replace humans in performing repetitive, rule-based tasks. This could lead to the displacement of workers in industries such as manufacturing, transportation, and customer service. Jobs that involve routine, predictable activities are most vulnerable to automation.

Job transformation: While AI may eliminate some jobs, it also has the potential to create new ones. AI technologies require skilled workers to develop, implement, and maintain them. New roles and job opportunities can emerge in areas like AI programming, data analysis, robotics, and AI ethics.

Enhanced productivity: AI can enhance productivity by automating routine tasks, enabling workers to focus on more complex and creative work. This shift in tasks can lead to a redefinition of job roles rather than outright job losses.

Economic growth and job creation: AI has the potential to drive economic growth by improving efficiency, innovation, and competitiveness. As industries adopt AI technologies, new business opportunities can arise, leading to job creation in related sectors.

Skills and education: The widespread adoption of AI will likely require workers to acquire new skills to remain relevant in the job market. Continuous learning and upskilling will be crucial to adapt to the changing work environment.

It is important to note that the impact of AI on job losses is not uniform across all industries or regions. Some sectors may experience more significant disruptions, while others may see minimal effects. Additionally, the pace of AI adoption and its societal implications depend on various factors such as technological progress, economic conditions, policy frameworks, and social acceptance.

Overall, while there may be some job displacement due to AI, the long-term effects on employment will depend on how societies and economies adapt to these technological advancements. It is possible that new jobs and opportunities may emerge alongside the changes brought about by AI.
I like your style, since the takeover is imminent it's a great idea to state your case early to the bots in the hope you remain relevant in the job market.
 
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