Expansion of AI and political / social impacts...

[Magnus McGinty]

Erm, you don't actually know anything about the legal status of their work, do you?

Actually yes! In the UK you are free to plagiarise work for comical/satirical purposes.

 

[scifisam]

Actually yes! In the UK you are free to plagiarise work for comical/satirical purposes.

Hahaha. Yeah, that's all there is to it, rrrrrright.

(It's not. Which your hasty Google should have shown you, but you are just that fucking stupid).

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Hahaha. Yeah, that's all there is to it, rrrrrright.

(It's not. Which your hasty Google should have shown you, but you are just that fucking stupid).

I didn’t google. I know this. Now disprove it.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Your googling taking a little longer I see.

 

[YouSir]

Actually yes! In the UK you are free to plagiarise work for comical/satirical purposes.

I didn’t google. I know this. Now disprove it.

I'm not sure how this is relevant anyway, GAI training on stolen work isn't parody or satire, you generating output distilled from that theft isn't either. You're not involved in a process of creative modification.

 

[magneze]

We don't even understand what "intelligence" is yet. So anyone claiming to have created it is probably someone to be very skeptical of.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I'm not sure how this is relevant anyway, GAI training on stolen work isn't parody or satire, you generating output distilled from that theft isn't either. You're not involved in a process of creative modification.

Like I said, nobody complained about cassetteboy which is direct plagiarism.

 

[scifisam]

I didn’t google. I know this. Now disprove it.

That's not how it works and you know that. You claimed you are free to plagiarise work for satire. That is total bollocks, because there are tons of restrictions on that. If you want to back up your original claim, go ahead.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

That's not how it works and you know that. You claimed you are free to plagiarise work for satire. That is total bollocks, because there are tons of restrictions on that. If you want to back up your original claim, go ahead.

Tell me about the restrictions regarding cassetteboy then.

 

[scifisam]

Like I said, nobody complained about cassetteboy which is direct plagiarism.

Also people did complain. A lot. And when they started out they were entirely illegal, which is why they couldn't make any money from it.

But never mind. Let's give up any way for anyone except AI designers to make money from films, so that you can make four seconds of Identikit banality. So freeing! Making all creative endeavours unpaid definitely won't mean that "the lower orders" find it even harder to break into the arts.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Ok, so you’ve now discovered that a new law was brought in after cassetteboy started and have piped down on your earlier claim to greater knowledge.

 

[YouSir]

Like I said, nobody complained about cassetteboy which is direct plagiarism.

Are you genuinely confused as to the difference between a human artist taking work for the purpose of remix/parody through an open and creative process and a GAI dataset undertaking an automated process of mass theft of millions of pieces of creative work (and general personal data) without awareness, consent, attribution or recourse in order to build a vast plagiarism system for the chronically dull to use as they indulge in a poor imitation of creativity? I mean, I'm fairly well up on the arguments made by GAI evangelists and even the most ardent of them would blush at that level of feigned ignorance.

 

[scifisam]

Tell me about the restrictions regarding cassetteboy then.

Exceptions to copyright

Details of the exceptions to copyright that allow limited use of copyright works without the permission of the copyright owner.

www.gov.uk

Very short sections, has to be clearly satire, fair use, usually crediting the original creators, only became law after a lot of their famous releases - that's a fuckload of restrictions. Maybe you should check the actual law before arguing about it.

I'm going to put you on ignore, though. I'm embarrassed at myself for arguing with someone like you.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Erm, you don't actually know anything about the legal status of their work, do you?

 

[scifisam]

Ok, so you’ve now discovered that a new law was brought in after cassetteboy started and have piped down on your earlier claim to greater knowledge.

Hahaha. Very much no. You actually think you're clever, but you're still getting the law wrong.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Exceptions to copyright

Details of the exceptions to copyright that allow limited use of copyright works without the permission of the copyright owner.

www.gov.uk

Very short sections, has to be clearly satire, fair use, usually crediting the original creators, only became law after a lot of their famous releases - that's a fuckload of restrictions. Maybe you should check the actual law before arguing about it.

I'm going to put you on ignore, though. I'm embarrassed at myself for arguing with someone like you.

I would ignore me too if I accused me of googling before doing so myself.

 

[scifisam]

Except your claim NOT BACKED UP BY THE LAW YOU PATHETIC MORON.

Do you think me providing a link to the law backs you up? I suppose you could have just recited it by heart, except you refused to cite anything at all, mainly because your interpretation was wrong.

Now you're on ignore. Maybe use chatgpt to write your posts next time. We all know we're going to end up replying to posts like that all the time, so you might as well be a pioneer in something.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It’s a massive wonder why Cassetteboy’s stuff persists on YouTube really. Along with stuff like this:

Jacob Rees-Mogg - Common People

:D

www.urban75.net

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I must take the time to promote Vic Berger at this point. This guy is a genius.

 

[Santino]

We don't even understand what "intelligence" is yet. So anyone claiming to have created it is probably someone to be very skeptical of.

We do have some idea of what intelligence is, which is how we know that computers don't have any.

 

[YouSir]

2: Sooner or later we will see a surge in copyright claims against GAI models for their blatant theft, those claims will come from corporate media platforms and a minority of wealthier artists, not from your average working creator. Already companies are both expanding their training base and getting ahead of those claims by striking details with platform operators and institutions which completely bypass any notion of consent (or even awareness) to inclusion in these datasets. Reddit is the most recent one to sell off its user's work en masse but within the last few weeks universities have been signing up for it too and there was a whole SAG strike about the potential for Hollywood to sell of artists work without consent or recompense.

More data sell offs. Worth noting is the carve out for high end partners like Apple whose creative content these platforms 'may not own', bit of a contrast to the perceived rights of the average user.

Tumblr and WordPress to Sell Users’ Data to Train AI Tools

Internal documents obtained by 404 Media show that Tumblr staff compiled users' data as part of a deal with Midjourney and OpenAI.

www.404media.co

 

[YouSir]

Interesting that it doesn't sell itself but needs incentives. Bad in journalism, really bad when it starts being sold to credulous states and institutions who end up anchoring themselves to private GAI platforms which are ultimately not fit for purpose.