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Wilf said:
Sky showing their true colours whining on about threats to players and managers, criminal damage etc.
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Neville did a pretty good job of closing down that angle and taking his remarks in the direction he wanted to focus on instead. In the bit I saw anyway.
 
elbows said:
Neville did a pretty good job of closing down that angle and taking his remarks in the direction he wanted to focus on instead. In the bit I saw anyway.
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I'm only just catching up as I was watching a recording, but by the end you could see the process of it being reframed as a violent disorder, risking life and limb. That 'Dave', whoever the Sky anchor is, was becoming more and more shrill as he couldn't get anybody to join in with him, though he got the Prem League and United's own statements which were both pushing the violence angle. The actual footage they showed from outside the ground was pretty tame , just a few plastic bottles being thrown. But yeah, Neville doing a good job resisting that as did Carragher, though he's a fucking waffler. I was a bit surprised at Keane tbh, no fan of the Glazer's but I'd have expected him to be laying down some kind of rule of law line. So fair play.
 
Christ, surely there's more important things happening in this world right now to be fucked off about than a rich yank owning a corporation that pays people millions to kick a vessel of air around. I can't think of many right now, but come back to me.
 
Petcha said:
Christ, surely there's more important things happening in this world right now to be fucked off about than a rich yank owning a corporation that pays people millions to kick a vessel of air around. I can't think of many right now, but come back to me.
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Billionaires... global capital... oh, dunno, you are probably right. No connection at all with anything else taking place in the world. Ah well, we can at least protest against it. Oh.
 
I think there is an interesting point about how much energy and stake people put into supporting a football club - it is a microcosm of the wider world in a way but also a world in itself. As said already on this thread, how good would it be if football fans across the UK en masse got behind Kill The Bill for example - or any bigger social issue in fact.
 
ska invita said:
I think there is an interesting point about how much energy and stake people put into supporting a football club - it is a microcosm of the wider world in a way but also a world in itself. As said already on this thread, how good would it be if football fans across the UK en masse got behind Kill The Bill for example - or any bigger social issue in fact.
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Football clubs though are people's community. Both playing the sport and also going to support your team. It's ingrained in most people from a young age and often as a child you are taken by someone that you have probably built a bond with and so it has an additional meaning.

Football has a very stark picture of what capitalism looks like with many of the nasty aspects clear to see.

I'm more surprised that people can't understand why they are so significant especially in the world we live in that does it's best to individualise us. Rather than seeing it as a negative I think it's a chance for positive conversations about what the reality business plays in football, wider society and why this problematic. We all have to find our own way into questioning the bigger picture.
 
BristolEcho said:
Football clubs though are people's community. Both playing the sport and also going to support your team. It's ingrained in most people from a young age and often as a child you are taken by someone that you have probably built a bond with and so it has an additional meaning.

Football has a very stark picture of what capitalism looks like with many of the nasty aspects clear to see.

I'm more surprised that people can't understand why they are so significant especially in the world we live in that does it's best to individualise us. Rather than seeing it as a negative I think it's a chance for positive conversations about what the reality business plays in football, wider society and why this problematic. We all have to find our own way into questioning the bigger picture.
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Without wishing to big up the cunt in any way, Johnson knew what part of English life football clubs played, him wading in with threats of legislation to stop the ESL were seen as opportunism and it was, but not without knowing that clubs are part of communities and part of the makeup of our country.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Without wishing to big up the cunt in any way, Johnson knew what part of English life football clubs played, him wading in with threats of legislation to stop the ESL were seen as opportunism and it was, but not without knowing that clubs are part of communities and part of the makeup of our country.
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And to be honest, johnson reacted a lot quicker than starmer would have done. Whether he'd have done anything is of course a different matter.
 
ska invita said:
I think there is an interesting point about how much energy and stake people put into supporting a football club - it is a microcosm of the wider world in a way but also a world in itself. As said already on this thread, how good would it be if football fans across the UK en masse got behind Kill The Bill for example - or any bigger social issue in fact.
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They do very well on food banks .
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Without wishing to big up the cunt in any way, Johnson knew what part of English life football clubs played, him wading in with threats of legislation to stop the ESL were seen as opportunism and it was, but not without knowing that clubs are part of communities and part of the makeup of our country.
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Did he explain his meeting with Woodward a few days before the SL announcement?
 
MOTD treating the supporters like they rationally planned it all out instead of just being pissed off.
 
Earlier on we were getting reports of 2 injured coppers, one with a 'slashed face from a broken bottle'. Well, I've just seen the opening seconds of Motd's report and it shows a copper with a couple of paper stitches on his face and a trickle of blood down his cheek. This is beginning to sound like the cops with broken bones at the kill the bill demo (which didn't happen).

Unless of course this was the other of the 2 cops.
 
Wilf said:
Earlier on we were getting reports of 2 injured coppers, one with a 'slashed face from a broken bottle'. Well, I've just seen the opening seconds of Motd's report and it shows a copper with a couple of paper stitches on his face and a trickle of blood down his cheek. This is beginning to sound like the cops with broken bones at the kill the bill demo (which didn't happen).

Unless of course this was the other of the 2 cops.
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Absolutely it's the same tactic. "Minority" etc. Never report how many the police hurt both here, at other protests, and with heavy handed policing on a whole.
 
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