Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Was this a stop or a slow down?
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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Was this a stop or a slow down?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I once drove from Munich to Cardiff in the same day. I had a fast car.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No, if you can’t stop in the distance that is visible you are travelling too fast. What I am asking is if there is an event such as a stag leaping on to the carriageway whereby an emergency stop would have made any difference to the outcome.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You sir, are a cunt, who should have died then (with no other casualties)
If people have crashed then they have always been driving faster than they could stop. And all those people thought they were driving at a speed that was fine. They were wrong. If you’re wrong at 90mph, that has consequences that are orders of magnitude different to being wrong at 70mph.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yes, still doesn't answer the pressing issue of the 70mph emergency stop though...
Are you incapable of generalising to the wider message about stopping distances? The simple example is about an emergency stop but the principle applies to all braking manoeuvres. Why do you think people hit things in front of them on motorways? You think they didn’t press the brake first in an attempt to slow or stop? What do you think the consequences are of your braking time leaving you still travelling at high speeds when you get that wrong and have the collision?
Don’t you think that everybody involved in this was just as sure as you are that they are a good driver travelling at an appropriate speed with adequate stopping time?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I am unsure why you are keeping on at this, motorway pileups are nothing to do with emergency stops, they are do to people driving too close to the car in front, these are two very different things.
At some point, somebody encounters a stationary obstacle, which they have to react to quickly enough in order to come to a complete stop. All those cars in the video are trying and failing to perform an emergency stop.
If you are arguing that as a driver you aren’t scanning the road ahead and you are only driving by reference to the car in front, we have a whole other argument.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Perhaps the people crashing into the back of the pileup are all doing so at e.g. 40 mph, despite some of them having slowed from 90 and others having slowed from 50, it’s just the ones slowing from 90 were paying attention further ahead due to their speed, so we’re able to spend much longer braking.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
UK motorways are built so that you have a line of sight that is something like 3/4 of a mile (the exact figure escapes me and I can't be arsed to check , but it is of that order), it is plenty to stop if there is a stationary object, the only reason for not seeing one would be inattention. As you well know, objects on motorways don't turn in to stationary ones without some catastrophic event occurring, a shipping container falling from a truck or such like. In which case anyone with half an eye on the road would see it happening long before it actually happens.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
No you won't. You won't hit the car in front, because you'll be driving at a safe enough distance to stop in an emergency. Or are you using some hypothetical scenario, where nobody is watching the road and nobody is driving at a safe distance from the car in front? Because only a fool breaks the 2 second rule.
And yet these things happen anyway.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Darwin's got this one.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Great video, perfectly shows the effect of an accident where lots of vehicles are travelling too close together, in bad conditions and going too fast for those conditions. And there are almost certainly people in that pile up who were just not properly paying attention to what was going on around and in front of them.
The nasty thing about it is that no matter how safe and proper your own driving might be you can still find yourself in a situation where a motorway pile up - in which you will be involved - can take place. I know some drivers who when it starts to rain or if traffic is too heavy or visibility too poor, they head for the next motorway exit and continue their journey on A roads. And that is despite the claim that Motorways are the safest roads.
mauvais
on reddit or something
This isn't universally true IMO. It works well in simple situations but the density of modern motorways means that visibility is obscured, the situation changes too often, too many other road users are not observant and so provide no warning, etc etc
For example if you're following an HGV at a safe distance you might reasonably think that distance to be your thinking distance plus your ability to outbrake the truck if it slows rapidly, but not instantly, without hitting it. And that's sensible right up until the HGV changes lane suddenly to reveal a stopped vehicle ahead which you're now confronted with.
David Clapson
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Has anyone noticed the American anti-car stickers which have appeared lately?
I'd like to up the ante with some abusive anti-SUV stickers, to be stuck on SUVs. Especially the big ones. On the glass - don't want to be accused of damaging the paintwork. Can anyone think of appropriate words which SUV might stand for? Something rude like Simpleminded Unforgivable Vanity. But much better.
I'd like to up the ante with some abusive anti-SUV stickers, to be stuck on SUVs. Especially the big ones. On the glass - don't want to be accused of damaging the paintwork. Can anyone think of appropriate words which SUV might stand for? Something rude like Simpleminded Unforgivable Vanity. But much better.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I'd like to see more stickers like that appear. It would be great to start seeing them on cars. There's probably some kind of critical threshold where if you saw a few around, suddenly lots of people would feel confident in sticking a few themselves.
I also like these kinds of initiatives
I also like these kinds of initiatives
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
Shit for brains
Underendowed
Victim
Underendowed
Victim
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Has anyone noticed the American anti-car stickers which have appeared lately?
I'd like to up the ante with some abusive anti-SUV stickers, to be stuck on SUVs. Especially the big ones. On the glass - don't want to be accused of damaging the paintwork. Can anyone think of appropriate words which SUV might stand for? Something rude like Simpleminded Unforgivable Vanity. But much better.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
That’ll show ‘em.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Tell me more about this nimble HGV that changes lanes so suddenly that me in my lumbering car wouldn’t have time to notice what’s going on.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Such bullshit. We don’t want your shitty noisy ugly cars
I haven’t read the last couple of pages yet but teuchter , beesonthewhatnow , and Orang Utan ate all wrong. That much I’m sure of.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
maomao
普費斯
'Vermin' is your V.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Who is this 'we' you were appointed spokesperson for?
mauvais
on reddit or something
The HGV doesn't have to be nimble, it just has to not hit the hazard, leaving you closing on it at 56mph more than you were the HGV.
This sort of thing at 30 seconds
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