Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
- Thread starter teuchter
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8ball
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Attempts at comedy usually ring fewer alarm bells, but it’s a relief to know that’s what it was.
8ball
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U ok hun?
maomao
普費斯
Fine thanks Sheldon.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
He was a lot like you in that regard. Nobody can be wrong all the time, although you seem to be having a fairly good attempt.
T & P
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You say it works everywhere else. I have been in 20-odd countries in my life, and nowhere else I have observed the same policy of forcing all through traffic in one route only between two city areas and make it all about impossible to take an alternative route, like it has long been the case in London, and made more so since the arrival of the LTNs.
Even in the much lauded European cities with high cycle use that you and others suggest is the way forward for Britain, cars are allowed to choose multiple routes from A to B, which include- oh horror of horrors- countless residential side streets.
So come to think of it, fuck yeah! Let’s adopt the Amsterdam model. In full, naturally, and including their standing on motor vehicles travelling through side streets.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The difference there being that those streets are designed with pedestrians and cyclists first. The entire experience and expectations of driving a car there are entirely different. There is no reason whatsoever why it can’t be done here.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
How Amsterdam became the bicycle capital of the world
In the 1960s, Dutch cities were increasingly in thrall to motorists, with the car seen as the transport of the future. It took the intolerable toll of child traffic deaths – and fierce activism – to turn Amsterdam into the cycling nirvana of today
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yep, let’s have cars using side streets like this please:
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
There are many.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Given that so many of them use bikes, it's strange that they have significantly more road deaths per capita than the UK. Maybe they're doing something wrong.
8ball
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Well, our road deaths are v low compared to most places. It’s health and safety gone mad, frankly.
cybershot
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Plan to ban rush hour on Stoke-on-Trent road agreed
But cabinet members at Stoke-on-Trent City Council are still fighting proposals to ban rush hour traffic from Victoria Road in Fenton
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
You don't differentiate between anecotal evidence and data, do you? This prevents you from making a useful contribution to the debate.
8ball
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
UP TO 4 MINUTES MORE THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE IT'S THE END OF DAYS AND WORSE THAN HITLER WHO ARE THE REAL RACISTS HERE ANYWAY IT'S POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD WHY DO YOU HATE OLD PEOPLE SO MUCH THINK OF THE FUCKING CHILDREN NURSE IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
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8ball
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Was it just me expecting some kind of Longcat joke to become apparent while scrolling down?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Anyway... Cyclists... fucking freeloaders.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Talentless dog-fluffers.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Do explain
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Don’t fall for itDo explain
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I cycle and pay a lot of tax.
I do have fairly sticky fingers though if you’d like to apply a label.
T & P
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Oh really? Well, seeing as this can be easily turned around the other way, let’s just do so.
You seem to be suggesting that I am wrong or have no verifiable proof to say that cities abroad including poster-child Amsterdam don’t ban cars from travelling on secondary/ side streets anywhere near the level seen in London nowadays.
So, can you prove that Amsterdam does in fact have similarly restrictive laws and policy to London today regarding cars using side streets instead of sticking to trunk routes only?
I mean, my brother-in-law lives there and I’ve been there plenty of times, and every time including our most recent visit in Xmas 2019, our taxis to and from his place to various places across town almost invariably included driving through all kinds of secondary residential streets. But admittedly I cannot prove this to you, so hopefully you can prove to me I must have imagined it or be lying.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
When London's side streets resemble those of Amsterdam, you may have a point.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Do explain
I’m not sure where this is going, but I’m hoping it’s better than road tax...
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
That's just more proof that you don't get the difference between anedotal evidence and data.
T & P
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Let’s try again. Can I ask you a question and ask for a straight answer, with no diversions, counter questions, or whataboutisms?
Does Amsterdam constrict motor vehicles regarding the use of secondary or side streets as through-routes anywhere near as much as London does presently in those areas where LTNs have proliferated?
