Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
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That's the Daily Mail's diagram and rather unsurprisingly it's not great.
These rules are pretty clear for cyclists so you can rest assured the highway code isn't encouraging cyclists to put themselves in dangerous position:
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Exactly as I said, but you choose to argue the toss with anyone you think is pro-car and anti-bike, which leads you to come across as a nob.
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Yeah I'm sure children, older adults and disabled people won't be confused when shared-pavement cyclonutters bark at them to stop causing an obstruction per the Highway Code.
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"Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist going straight ahead to stop or swerve, just as you would do with a motor vehicle."
How does this make sense? "the cyclist"? Shouldn't it be "any cyclist"? And apparently this applies to any junction, even one where the cyclist is approaching a stop line?
And what does "just as you would do" with a motor vehicle mean? Surely it should read "just as you would not turn" for starters?
It was presumably written by an undergraduate media studies intern.
How does this make sense? "the cyclist"? Shouldn't it be "any cyclist"? And apparently this applies to any junction, even one where the cyclist is approaching a stop line?
And what does "just as you would do" with a motor vehicle mean? Surely it should read "just as you would not turn" for starters?
It was presumably written by an undergraduate media studies intern.
ah okay - yes, the Daily Mail is crap, these highway code changes are blatantly sensible
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I think a distinction should be made between cars overtaking cyclists immediately before a junction then turning- which is a cunt move and one that no considerate and competent driver would do, regardless of whether the HC might have to say about it- and a cyclist intending to go straight at a junction traying to undertake slower moving traffic that were already indicating to turn, and just about to do so.
The expection to this if there is a cycle lane on the road in question. Drivers wanting to turn onto a side street already have to yield to buses and indeed cyclists approaching on the bus lane. But it would be utter bonkers and reckless to suggest cyclists filtering through moving traffic on streets with no dedicated bus or cycle lanes should be allowed or even encouraged to overtake vehicles ahead of them indicating a turn, if they are close enough to the junction.
If the HG thinks otherwise, then the HG is not worth wiping your arse with. Simple as.
The expection to this if there is a cycle lane on the road in question. Drivers wanting to turn onto a side street already have to yield to buses and indeed cyclists approaching on the bus lane. But it would be utter bonkers and reckless to suggest cyclists filtering through moving traffic on streets with no dedicated bus or cycle lanes should be allowed or even encouraged to overtake vehicles ahead of them indicating a turn, if they are close enough to the junction.
If the HG thinks otherwise, then the HG is not worth wiping your arse with. Simple as.
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There's also the problem of an increasing number of safety-critical "shoulds" being set out in the HC with no legislative or regulatory backing. This creates unreasonable exceptions of other people's actions, which just creates more opportunities for accidents.
Rule 72 covers all that doesn’t it?
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"When using an electric vehicle charge point, you should park close to the
charge point and avoid creating a trip hazard for pedestrians from trailing
cables. Display a warning sign if you can. After using the charge point, you
should return charging cables and connectors neatly to minimise the danger to
pedestrians and avoid creating an obstacle for other road users."
So now anyone who charges an electric car should display a warning sign, even if the cable isn't across a pavement or creating a trip hazard. Displaying a sign isn't conditional on creating a hazard, it's something you are expected to do period. If you don't display a sign and someone contrives to tangle themselves up in your cable, you risk being sued because it's in the HC.
20 million plastic warning signs will be produced, so that every car has one.
charge point and avoid creating a trip hazard for pedestrians from trailing
cables. Display a warning sign if you can. After using the charge point, you
should return charging cables and connectors neatly to minimise the danger to
pedestrians and avoid creating an obstacle for other road users."
So now anyone who charges an electric car should display a warning sign, even if the cable isn't across a pavement or creating a trip hazard. Displaying a sign isn't conditional on creating a hazard, it's something you are expected to do period. If you don't display a sign and someone contrives to tangle themselves up in your cable, you risk being sued because it's in the HC.
20 million plastic warning signs will be produced, so that every car has one.
The warning signs will just be on the chargers themselves. This seems more about street charging which I agree is an issue, well the ones where the cable is running across the pavement.
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Well then it's incorrect, another example of a badly worded change. In its current state it is a clearly written instruction to all drivers to display a warning sign every time they charge a car, regardless of the circumstances.
I think you might be overthinking things. They are just suggestions. Any basis for legal redress should someone trip will be based upon a lot more than the highway code. If you think there is a possible likelihood that your charging cable might tripe someone up then a warning sign is probably a good idea.
Like every other company car driver in the country I am legally obliged to have a no smoking sign inside my car (at least I was last time I checked). No one does, no one cares.
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But this is the Highway Code, not some throwaway guidance. Any item in the HC not prefaced by a "MUST" instruction and referenced to legislation falls into this category:
"Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself,
cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence
in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the
law) to establish liability."
It really shouldn't therefore be a dumping ground for vague or badly-worded suggestions, but contain only the most basic rules that everyone is able to familiarize themselves with and follow.
Artaxerxes
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
That isn’t what it says. Try again.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
It’s not saying you can go up the inside of something that’s turning. It’s telling drivers not to pass a cyclist if they’re going to turn.
In other words, if there’s a cyclist up ahead and you want to turn, slow down and wait, rather than lunging past them in an attempt to save oh so valuable seconds.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The graphic doesn't show that at all, it shows a bike coming up the inside of a vehicle and the words say that the vehicle being crept up upon its inside must look out for the bike.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Give this man a knighthood
www.theguardian.com
‘I felt powerless – so I started filming’: CyclingMikey on his one-man battle with dangerous drivers
Mike van Erp has reported more than 1,000 motorists to the police – including Chris Eubank and Guy Ritchie. He explains how his father being killed by a drunk driver inspires his actions
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Christ almighty, it shows a car overtaking a bike in order to make a turn. I’m starting to realise why car drivers get so confused by simple things here.
Ah, Mikey. Yeah, he’s brilliant.Give this man a knighthood
‘I felt powerless – so I started filming’: CyclingMikey on his one-man battle with dangerous drivers
Mike van Erp has reported more than 1,000 motorists to the police – including Chris Eubank and Guy Ritchie. He explains how his father being killed by a drunk driver inspires his actions
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Doesn't, it shows a car pulling away from lights that have just turned green and a cyclist hooning up on the inside.
You do realise cycling mikey is actually Spymaster, don't you?
Where are the lights? I think you’re over egging this. I agree it’s mislead but only because it doesn’t show which is overtaking which but the text makes it very clear.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
They left them off, that's how poor the whole thing is!
Presume this is a joke but the whole shitshow of a reaction to this changes just show how many god awful drivers there are out there.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I don't see a cyclist on either of the bikes. Maybe you need new glasses?
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I’m pretty sure no one here except for me has read the actual confirmed changes on the government website.
