Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

[T & P]

If you think that’s what’s happening I’m not sure you’re paying attention. Can’t see anyone arguing with any points just attacking posters and drooling over shit looking cars.

Your suggestion that Will Self’s opinion being shown on the BBC somehow constitutes an endorsement by the Beeb or something noteworthy certainly got shot to pieces in no time. But you can continue to pretend otherwise if you you wish. I think it’s clear whose ego might be fragile, in this particular exchange at least

 

[edcraw]

So where are you coming from T & P? No issue with cars and car culture at all. Everything fine. Yeah?

I notice you gave up quickly on arguing the Tulse Hill LTN was somehow not working.

 

[T & P]

So where are you coming from T & P? No issue with cars and car culture at all. Everything fine. Yeah?

I notice you gave up quickly on arguing the Tulse Hill LTN was somehow not working.

Oh dear. In your blatant & desperate desire to stir shit and trigger people ITT you’re starting to embarrass yourself now. Please stop for your sake if nobody else’s

 

[edcraw]

Oh dear. In your blatant & desperate desire to stir shit and trigger people ITT you’re starting to embarrass yourself now. Please stop for your sake if nobody else’s

Proving the point none of you guys are arguing about anything as it’s self evident cars are a huge issue.

What was Will Self wrong about?

 

[platinumsage]

Proving the point none of you guys are arguing about anything as it’s self evident cars are a huge issue.

Of course cars are a huge issue, as is housing and farming. Transport, shelter and food are basic necessities.

What was Will Self wrong about?

You actually listened to him?

 

[edcraw]

Of course cars are a huge issue

Yep - that was the point & why you guys are just trolling

 

[Saul Goodman]

Yep - that was the point & why you guys are just trolling

Just accept that cars aren't going anywhere. They're too big a source of revenue for the government. Once you accept this you'll feel a lot better about everything.

 

[platinumsage]

Yep - that was the point & why you guys are just trolling

I look forward to your anti-house building propaganda and anti-food propaganda threads.

 

[edcraw]

I look forward to your anti-house building propaganda and anti-food propaganda threads.

Yeah, but whattabout….

 

[platinumsage]

Yeah, but whattabout….

What about what?

 

[edcraw]

What about what?

So we can only point out issues with cars as long as we point all the other fucking issues in the world? Well done, you’re a fucking genius.

So you’ve got past the denial stage & I think the anger one. You’re making good progress

 

[platinumsage]

So we can only point out issues with cars as long as we point all the other fucking issues in the world? Well done, you’re a fucking genius.

Did I say that? Do you just make things up all the time because you’ve got nothing substantive to say on the topic?

 

[platinumsage]

So you’ve got past the denial stage & I think the anger one. You’re making good progress

When I say cars are a huge issue I mean they’re very important to a lot of people and get talked about a lot. Same as houses and food.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

What idiots decided to locate a new school on an industrial estate?

QED

 

[edcraw]

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[edcraw]

Over half of cars speed on 30mph roads - this is why we need limiters on cars. The technology exists and drivers obviously can’t be trusted to obey speed limits.

 

[platinumsage]

Over half of cars speed on 30mph roads - this is why we need limiters on cars. The technology exists and drivers obviously can’t be trusted to obey speed limits.

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Interesting to note that on country roads, the most dangerous category of road, car drivers are much safer than professional drivers.

That's if you want to use speed limit adherence as a proxy for safety, which is absurd.

 

[kabbes]

Interesting to note that on country roads, the most dangerous category of road, car drivers are much safer than professional drivers.

That's if you want to use speed limit adherence as a proxy for safety, which is absurd.

I think that's probably to do with the nature of who drives on which national speed limit single-carriageway roads. The majority of these roads are the kind of country roads that it would be insane to drive at 60mph on, so I'm not surprised that the proportion of car drivers found exceeding these limits is only 10%. Which single-carriageway roads do buses tend to use, though? I've no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a very different balance in terms of long, straight, wide ones versus narrow, twisty-turny ones. This means that the proportions are not comparable.

Personally, from those stats I am most horrified that >40% of HGVs seem to be exceeding 30mph limits. These are enormous, heavy vehicles with significant momentum that shouldn't be going anything like 30mph on most 30mph roads. It's not that the stat surprises me (after all, it's not like I've not seen it many a time). It's clearly a massive problem, though.

 

[platinumsage]

I think that's probably to do with the nature of who drives on which national speed limit single-carriageway roads. The majority of these roads are the kind of country roads that it would be insane to drive at 60mph on, so I'm not surprised that the proportion of car drivers found exceeding these limits is only 10%. Which single-carriageway roads do buses tend to use, though? I've no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a very different balance in terms of long, straight, wide ones versus narrow, twisty-turny ones. This means that the proportions are not comparable.

Seems they accounted for that:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/915731/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-2019.pdf

 

[edcraw]

Interesting to note that on country roads, the most dangerous category of road, car drivers are much safer than professional drivers.

That's if you want to use speed limit adherence as a proxy for safety, which is absurd.

? You’re the one that mentioned safety.

 

[platinumsage]

? You’re the one that mentioned safety.

Sometimes I wonder whether you are a bot...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Over half of cars speed on 30mph roads

The only sensible thing to take from this is that the limit needs increasing.

 

[teuchter]

The only sensible thing to take from this is that the limit needs increasing.

No, it would be easier to just crush half of all cars.

 

[Saul Goodman]

No, it would be easier to just crush half of all cars.

The ones under 2000cc?

 

[cupid_stunt]

No, it would be easier to just crush half of all cars.

With you and edcraw in them.

 

[edcraw]

With you and edcraw in them.

Nice, normal behaviour

 

[edcraw]

Great debate today guys… Some really good points…

 

[platinumsage]

No, it would be easier to just crush half of all cars.

Even easier to just remove all speed limits, especially as they don’t stop people speeding. If cyclists don’t need speed limits despite killing pedestrians then I don’t see why cars drivers need them - just rely on the existing offence of “wanton and furious driving”.

 

[edcraw]

Another brilliant take down there platinumsage … bravo

 

[Aladdin]

Great debate today guys… Some really good points…

Have you ever driven a car?

Speed limiters are not a good idea.