Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

[T & P]

I support AFC Wimbledon and live in Tulse Hill. Absolutely fucking ideal travel scenario for me: direct journey taking just 12 minutes.

On every single one of the three home games I’ve attended so far, there were widespread train cancellations. On every single day.

There are only two trains per hour on a Saturday, so it’s far from a Tube service. If I’m planning to meet my mates for a couple of drinks before kick off, having a half-hourly service cancelled really fucks up your day. I can forgive the odd mishap, but cancelled services on every single occasion I needed to travel is fucking pisspoor and suggest a systematic problem.

So each time I ended up driving myself to Plough Lane in a Zipcar, and then booking an Uber for the journey home, because by then I really didn’t want to risk another cancellation. More expensive for sure, but when faced with a service so consistently unreliable you feel it’s heads or tails whether you might have to spend an extra 40 minutes on a miserable deserted platform to undertake a 12-minute journey, it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone if people give up on public transport.

Bottom line: people are never going to be deterred from embarking on car journeys, whether private car or a taxis, when even the most idealistic and shortest of public transport alternatives are laughably unreliable.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I support AFC Wimbledon and live in Tulse Hill. Absolutely fucking ideal travel scenario for me: direct journey taking just 12 minutes.

On every single one of the three home games I’ve attended so far, there were widespread train cancellations. On every single day.

There are only two trains per hour on a Saturday, so it’s far from a Tube service. If I’m planning to meet my mates for a couple of drinks before kick off, having a half-hourly service cancelled really fucks up your day. I can forgive the odd mishap, but cancelled services on every single occasion I needed to travel is fucking pisspoor and suggest a systematic problem.

So each time I ended up driving myself to Plough Lane in a Zipcar, and then booking an Uber for the journey home, because by then I really didn’t want to risk another cancellation. More expensive for sure, but when faced with a service so consistently unreliable you feel it’s heads or tails whether you might have to spend an extra 40 minutes on a miserable deserted platform to undertake a 12-minute journey, it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone if people give up on public transport.

Bottom line: people are never going to be deterred from embarking on car journeys, whether private car or a taxis, when even the most idealistic and shortest of public transport alternatives are laughably unreliable.

As all football games are essentially the same, couldn't you just check the scores online from the comfort of your home? That'd save you needlessly polluting the environment.

 

[krtek a houby]

As all football games are essentially the same, couldn't you just check the scores online from the comfort of your home? That'd save you needlessly polluting the environment.

Or listen to it on the radio while you're doing the washing up

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Or listen to it on the radio while you're doing the washing up

There you go T & P, we've saved you money on travel and ticket costs, and helped with your housework. You can thank us later.

 

[T & P]

As all football games are essentially the same, couldn't you just check the scores online from the comfort of your home? That'd save you needlessly polluting the environment.

I guess I could do that. I’ll also stop going on holiday, since at the end of the day all places are the same when you think about it. And even if not, I can still find lovely pics of my intended destination online, so no excuse really. What kind of selfish cunt could possibly justify travelling to the Lake District for a break, whether by car or train, when you can look it up on Google?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I guess I could do that. I’ll also stop going on holiday, since at the end of the day all places are the same when you think about it. And even if not, I can still find lovely pics of my intended destination online, so no excuse really. What kind of selfish cunt could possibly justify travelling there for a break, whether by car or train?

Why go through all the hassle and expense of going on holiday when you can find images of any given place in seconds? The pictures are also likely to present the place in a much more flattering light than reality ever will.

 

[krtek a houby]

I guess I could do that. I’ll also stop going on holiday, since at the end of the day all places are the same when you think about it. And even if not, I can still find lovely pics of my intended destination online, so no excuse really. What kind of selfish cunt could possibly justify travelling to the Lake District for a break, whether by car or train, when you can look it up on Google?

The future is a marvelous place. You don't even have to leave your home anymore.

 

[T & P]

The future is a marvelous place. You don't even have to leave your home anymore.

Ah but you can if you get there by public transport. Even a two week European train extravaganza is allowed, because trains. A four-mile trip by car to watch the football though, you might as well nuke the Arctic Circle.

 

[edcraw]

I support AFC Wimbledon and live in Tulse Hill. Absolutely fucking ideal travel scenario for me: direct journey taking just 12 minutes.

On every single one of the three home games I’ve attended so far, there were widespread train cancellations. On every single day.

There are only two trains per hour on a Saturday, so it’s far from a Tube service. If I’m planning to meet my mates for a couple of drinks before kick off, having a half-hourly service cancelled really fucks up your day. I can forgive the odd mishap, but cancelled services on every single occasion I needed to travel is fucking pisspoor and suggest a systematic problem.

So each time I ended up driving myself to Plough Lane in a Zipcar, and then booking an Uber for the journey home, because by then I really didn’t want to risk another cancellation. More expensive for sure, but when faced with a service so consistently unreliable you feel it’s heads or tails whether you might have to spend an extra 40 minutes on a miserable deserted platform to undertake a 12-minute journey, it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone if people give up on public transport.

Bottom line: people are never going to be deterred from embarking on car journeys, whether private car or a taxis, when even the most idealistic and shortest of public transport alternatives are laughably unreliable.

I hate trains pretty much for these reasons. You may not want to but it’s about 30mins on bike on pretty quiet roads, as long as you’re not drinking too much.

 

[teuchter]

Not 100% clear what the moral of T & P 's story is. Is it that we should stop spending his hard earned tax money on public transport because he can afford to bypass it with uber?

 

[kabbes]

I think the point is that we need to spend more on public transport to make it more reliable and more prevalent. I’m up for that. I’m going into the office tomorrow and rather than walk to my nearest station, which effectively has a train every two hours, or drive 10 minutes to Dorking, which now only has one train an hour, I’m going to drive for 30 minutes to Epsom, which has a proper service comprising lots of trains. This is clearly a stupid situation to be in — the infrastructure is basically there but too thinly applied to be practical. It doesn’t help that the train operating companies took COVID as an excuse to halve their already thin service.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I support AFC Wimbledon and live in Tulse Hill. Absolutely fucking ideal travel scenario for me: direct journey taking just 12 minutes.

On every single one of the three home games I’ve attended so far, there were widespread train cancellations. On every single day.

There are only two trains per hour on a Saturday, so it’s far from a Tube service. If I’m planning to meet my mates for a couple of drinks before kick off, having a half-hourly service cancelled really fucks up your day. I can forgive the odd mishap, but cancelled services on every single occasion I needed to travel is fucking pisspoor and suggest a systematic problem.

So each time I ended up driving myself to Plough Lane in a Zipcar, and then booking an Uber for the journey home, because by then I really didn’t want to risk another cancellation. More expensive for sure, but when faced with a service so consistently unreliable you feel it’s heads or tails whether you might have to spend an extra 40 minutes on a miserable deserted platform to undertake a 12-minute journey, it shouldn’t be a shock to anyone if people give up on public transport.

Bottom line: people are never going to be deterred from embarking on car journeys, whether private car or a taxis, when even the most idealistic and shortest of public transport alternatives are laughably unreliable.

This is an argument for better public transport, not for cars.

 

[klang]

it's also an argument against AFC Wimbledon.

 

[T & P]

This is an argument for better public transport, not for cars.

Erm, yes, that was actually my point. But what chance is there to convince people to abandon car travel in cities if the public transport alternative is just not good enough? Provide a reliable network first, then ask people to ditch car journeys. The other way around is just not going to cut it.

 

[teuchter]

The thing is that unlike in the Surrey hills public transport is already pretty good in South London and the train is not the only option to get between those two places. There's a reliable and frequent bus service, which in most cases will be a little slower than going by private car. The main thing that could be improved about bus journeys is to make them faster and this could be achieved with more dedicated lanes and less traffic on the roads. But you have people arguing against measures that could achieve those things and they'll nearly always also be saying that they shouldn't be implemented until public transport is improved.

In many places it's valid to say that you can't really expect people to start using their cars less - until the alternatives are improved. Not in relatively central London though. The alternatives will never be improved "enough" for most people who employ that argument. It will permanently be just not quite good enough yet. Even if the Thameslink service were totally reliable and ran every 10 seconds, we'd still have T & P telling us about some other journey that he can make more conveniently by private car, and telling us that we should not make those private journeys more inconvenient until the alternatives are better. Even when the only way to improve the alternatives relies on making those private journeys more inconvenient.

 

[edcraw]

Well I think the whole country is proving that most car owners are a bunch of selfish twunts.

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[BigMoaner]

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aren't they like that all the time? a massive Moral Superiority Complex bonus pack with every bike purchase.

 

[edcraw]

aren't they like that all the time? a massive Moral Superiority Complex bonus pack with every bike purchase.

Free, independent, not harming the environment, exercise without having to go to a gym? Yep, pretty much

 

[Saul Goodman]

 

[edcraw]

The Simpsons? Have you not got a more contemporary cultural reference such as The Monkees or I Love Lucy old man?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Well I think the whole country is proving that most car owners are a bunch of selfish twunts.

If we banned cars we wouldn't see these sort of things.

 

[krtek a houby]

If we banned cars we wouldn't see these sort of things.

Where would seagulls shit on, though?

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Where would seagulls shit on, though?

That's easy - they'd shit on the wildlife haters.

 

[krtek a houby]

That's easy - they'd shit on the wildlife haters.

But the gas guzzling wildlife haters would be banned, see

 

[farmerbarleymow]

But the gas guzzling wildlife haters would be banned, see

Banning haters would be a good thing.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

'danger to motorists'

Fuck motorists. (((deer)))

White deer killed by police after running through Merseyside streets

Animal welfare experts urged officers to let buck find its way home but police say they were left ‘no option’

www.theguardian.com

 

[T & P]

Now now, those antlers could have fucked someone's expensive paint job good and proper.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Now now, those antlers could have fucked someone's expensive paint job good and proper.

Good.

 

[Spymaster]

Good.

Or not, as it turned out!