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Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.

There's a special higher rate of road tax for cars that cost more than £40k

Perhaps they should introduce a tax for expensive bikes too, because the logic behind the car one clearly has nothing to do with climate change, it's about extracting more money from people who buy expensive cars.
So, just what part of people with lots of money paying more tax do you have an issue with?
 
So, just what part of people with lots of money paying more tax do you have an issue with?

Did I say I had a problem? I just think it should be replicated with expensive bikes, so it’s you that seems to have the problem with higher taxes on expensive stuff if you disagree with that.
 
Did I say I had a problem?
The following sentence read like a complaint:

the logic behind the car one clearly has nothing to do with climate change, it's about extracting more money from people who buy expensive cars

Fwiw, bring on the luxury taxes but there's nothing shocking about fourteen grand bikes in a world where you can buy twenty grand guitars and hundred grand watches.
 
The following sentence read like a complaint:



Fwiw, bring on the luxury taxes but there's nothing shocking about fourteen grand bikes in a world where you can buy twenty grand guitars and hundred grand watches.

It was a complaint that they changed it from a graduated tax based on CO2 emissions designed to incentivise the purchase of lower-CO2 emitting vehicles to just another flat rate duty with a single higher rate for £40k+ cars, yes.

But that’s what they’ve done so now there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be extended to expensive bikes.
 
It was a complaint that they changed it from a graduated tax based on CO2 emissions designed to incentivise the purchase of lower-CO2 emitting vehicles to just another flat rate duty with a single higher rate for £40k+ cars, yes.

But that’s what they’ve done so now there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be extended to expensive bikes.
I think you'll struggle to find anyone objecting to higher taxation on luxury bicycles round here.
 
I think you'll struggle to find anyone objecting to higher taxation on luxury bicycles round here.

A consensus on U75 for cyclists to pay road tax? :eek:

However I would have thought that the most deluded car-abolitionists here would want even luxury bikes to be kept tax-free, in the unrealistic hope of enticing Range Rover drivers to ditch and switch.
 
It would be much more sensible to spend 14 grand on a 14 grand motorbike. You can buy a nice ZERO electric motorbike fur less than 14k

You can't legally drive either after 2 pints. An ebike has the drunk in charge limit, which is pretty much if you are that smashed you'd never find it let alone be able to ride it...
 
Which is why motorcycles, in particular heavier ones with electronic parking brakes that immobilise the wheels

But nice try anyway, Specialized :)

What motorbike has this? The OEM immobilisers (HISS, etc) use rolling encryption keys in the key fob to authenticate to the ECU. So if the the ECU doesn't see the right key it won't power the ignition for fuel systems.
 
If £14k represents the price of components, it must be made of gold!

But you're right about so-called 'super' cars; the prices are crazy, given the performance usually comes nowhere near a motorcycle that costs a tenth of the price.

In a straight line... Cars have far better grip. I can lap our local track faster in my Toyota 86 time attack special than I can on my ZX-10RR. This is partly better grip through aero and bigger tyres but also the fact that I'll take more risks in the car.
 
In a straight line... Cars have far better grip. I can lap our local track faster in my Toyota 86 time attack special than I can on my ZX-10RR. This is partly better grip through aero and bigger tyres but also the fact that I'll take more risks in the car.
True enough. But, on the road, you'll make better progress on a bike bike times out of ten, given the acceleration and ease of overtaking and filtering.
 
What motorbike has this? The OEM immobilisers (HISS, etc) use rolling encryption keys in the key fob to authenticate to the ECU. So if the the ECU doesn't see the right key it won't power the ignition for fuel systems.
Oh, I guess technically speaking it's not an immobiliser- certainly not an engine immobiliser. It's an electronic parking brake that locks the wheels, and as the bike has a smart key rather than a physical key, one cannot hotwire it to turn the bike on and disable the parking brake. The end result is the same- no fucker is rolling or driving off with the bike unless they have the smart key for it, and at 280 kg, no fucker and his mates are going to load it into a truck or van by hand either. It's a Peugeot Metropolis.
 
That's one of those back-to-front robin reliants with no roof, right?
Not quite. It is a three wheeled motorcycle-rated vehicle that car drivers can ride without a licence, but bitter envious people without either a car or bike licence cannot. It has the added advantage (like all types of motorcycles) of seemly piss off the anti-car Taliban brigade, as most of their arguments against the evil motor vehicle fall flat when applied to proper internal combustion engined bikes.

And I am sorry if I further annoy you, maomao and anyone else who (rightly) points out it is not a motorcycle, that it still enjoys full motorcycle privileges such as bus lane use, reduced vehicle excise duty fees, and free motorcycle parking. But hey, perhaps the two of you can start writing letters to the government and all the local authorities to protest about that, and who knows, you may suceed in having such privileges removed from my three-wheeled not-a-fucking-motorcycle vehicle :thumbs:
 
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The end result is the same- no fucker is rolling or driving off with the bike unless they have the smart key for it, and at 280 kg, no fucker and his mates are going to load it into a truck or van by hand either. It's a Peugeot Metropolis.
Don't count on it. This is exactly what happens every minute of the day. Bikes with a bike lock get that wheel lifted as it's dragged and lifted into the back of a van. The system you speak of is as strong as the flexible rubber brake pipe, which is no match for a hungry mouse, far less the sharp knife or cordless angle grinder that all bike thieves are equipped with.
 
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