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To make a difference financially or to the benefit of the earth, you need to drive in the region of 70,000 miles in an electric car.
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To put that in context cars currently being scrapped are over 10 years old and have done in the 150,000 miles plus. How that'll play out with battery life issues who knows.
 
One thing I don't remember hearing discussed was how dirty the prescious metals were for batterys and their disposal. They did mention that the majority of EVs are being by electricity produced by fossil fuels as opposed to renewables.
 
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One thing I don't remember hearing discussed was how dirty the prescious metals were for batterys and their disposal. They did mention that the majority of EVs are being by electricity produced by fossil fuels as opposed to renewables.
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But have more potential to be powered by renewables. This is the issue either individual consumer choices and technological innovation as drivers of change. They're not enough. The change needs to be on a larger scale
 
hash tag said:
One thing I don't remember hearing discussed was how dirty the prescious metals were for batterys and their disposal. They did mention that the majority of EVs are being by electricity produced by fossil fuels as opposed to renewables.
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Battery recycling is really good now, they aren't throwing away those previous metals.

Also when discussing the issues of cobalt and lithium (or whatever) mining, be sure to compare it to oil production, refinement and transportation, because I often find people ignoring that aspect of running an ICE engine when making comparisons.

Also good news is that newer batteries are moving away from using cobalt which afaik is the worst offender as far as environmental damage goes.
 
hash tag said:
To make a difference financially or to the benefit of the earth, you need to drive in the region of 70,000 miles in an electric car.
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But does that take into account the immediate reduction in localised pollution and the thousands of lives it would save every year in every country if ICE cars were replaced by electric ones? Or is the study looking at the just lifetime environmental footprint of building and recycling an electric vehicle?
 
T & P said:
That’s fair enough, but localised pollution is a very important consideration, certainly in cities like London with chronic congestion.
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Agree totally but the programme was looking at EV's generally.
There was certainly at least one premature death in London that was put down to pollution.
 
I don't wish to tar all EV's with the same brush but read slightly damaged Tesla's are being written of due to not being able to get spares, thus forcing
up insurance premiums. Tesla's are not good for the environment if involved in a minor accident even.
 
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I don't wish to tar all EV's with the same brush but read slightly damaged Tesla's are being written of due to not being able to get spares, thus forcing
up insurance premiums. Tesla's are not good for the environment if involved in a minor accident even.
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Also, if you dont get a Tesla repaired at a Tesla dealer, much of the sexy electro gubbins wont work- unauthorised work and they can block you from their charging network.Its pretty disgusting TBH. Its a RICO charge in my book
 
not-bono-ever said:
Also, if you dont get a Tesla repaired at a Tesla dealer, much of the sexy electro gubbins wont work- unauthorised work and they can block you from their charging network.Its pretty disgusting TBH. Its a RICO charge in my book
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There are loads of third party Tesla repairers now and the cars work just fine after they've been to one. Telsa themselves subcontract a lot of maintenance and warranty repairs to them now. Tesla do prevent cars that have been written off from connecting to the Supercharger network.
 
Teslas might have made electric cars sexy for the rich and and fashionable and help make the technology itself more likeable to the masses (which, if we're fair, is not a bad thing at all), but as more and more ordinary brands to continue introduce all-electric models, the brand is becoming increasingly less relevant to the electric car industry. And apart from the price tag, which makes it expensive even within the already pricey segment, I have never been comfortable with their level of driving autonomy being allowed on the roads this early, when the technology is far, far away from being reliable enough.

Anyways, plenty of far more interesting models from other manufacturers, even the mass market ones. Even though we continue to not have any need to own a car, I enjoy window shopping online for the latest offerings, and practically all of the latest models are routinely offering ranges well over 300 miles now. Recharging opportunities aside, nobody should be concerned in the least about long journeys, any more than they would with most ICE cars. Just need the 15k extra cost vs the ICE equivalent to shrink by two thirds at the least.
 
Of course this will really dispel myths about the range of EV cars, what with it's full double solar and wind turbine, something we all have of course!

"It's to dispel common myths that people have when they question electric vehicles - things like range and how far can they go."

www.bbc.co.uk

Climate change: Couple set for Pole-to-Pole electric car challenge

The husband and wife will journey 17,000 miles from the Arctic to Antarctica, aided by renewables.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Of course this will really dispel myths about the range of EV cars, what with it's full double solar and wind turbine, something we all have of course!

"It's to dispel common myths that people have when they question electric vehicles - things like range and how far can they go."

www.bbc.co.uk

Climate change: Couple set for Pole-to-Pole electric car challenge

The husband and wife will journey 17,000 miles from the Arctic to Antarctica, aided by renewables.
www.bbc.co.uk
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£100 to the server find says they can’t drive from the North Pole to the southern tip of South America.
 
TBF I reckon (though purely based on my own feelings) that nowadays most of the misapprehension some people might have come not from the available range, but from availability and ease of charging points on long trips. You’re never too far away from a petrol station in this country so even out in the sticks you could let the needle go into the red, knowing that there’s going to be a garage somewhere in range. But until charging points are a given in every station, it feels bothersome having to research and plan ahead if you’re going on a rural trip.
 
T & P said:
TBF I reckon (though purely based on my own feelings) that nowadays most of the misapprehension some people might have come not from the available range, but from availability and ease of charging points on long trips. You’re never too far away from a petrol station in this country so even out in the sticks you could let the needle go into the red, knowing that there’s going to be a garage somewhere in range. But until charging points are a given in every station, it feels bothersome having to research and plan ahead if you’re going on a rural trip.
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The thing with charging points seems to be that they sometimes are not working, or you pull up and all are occupied and you have to wait 30 minutes before you even start to charge up.

I have heard in Spain that they are starting to repurpose phone boxes (which of course no one uses any more) in to charging points, that would massively increase the availability of charging options.
 
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