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Yeah, entertainment. How do you think they'll film a Dukes of Hazzard remake in 2100 when ICE engines are illegal if not through Toyota's fake ICE product. How do you think most actors smoke in movies these days?
Electric cars
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Yeah, entertainment. How do you think they'll film a Dukes of Hazzard remake in 2100 when ICE engines are illegal if not through Toyota's fake ICE product. How do you think most actors smoke in movies these days?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Have you been smoking something?
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Books, not bombs
No surprises here I guess Electric car charging points ‘spread too unequally across UK’
"Greater Manchester has only 17 chargers per 100,000 people, compared with 102 per 100,000 in London,"
"Greater Manchester has only 17 chargers per 100,000 people, compared with 102 per 100,000 in London,"
Yup. We said it right back at the start of the thread that the public charging network is a mess for the same reason lots of the UK infrastructure is a mess. We've let the glorious free market do whatever they want and as usual its a dogs dinner.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Could just build it into the car somewhere. Perfect
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
Maybe put it in the boot in the front so you'd still have a biggish boot at the back. Or, if you wanted a low front area, for, say, a sports car, at the back. Make it a flat, horizontally opposed engine would work. The possibilities are all there.Could just build it into the car somewhere. Perfect
T & P
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This has been said aplenty before, but for the immense majority of drivers on most of their journeys, running out of juice is not really going to be a problem. It might (initially) require being more aware of the remaining range and recharging earlier than one normally would think of doing, as the preexisting mindset with ICE cars that doesn’t make us worried when the needle goes into deep the red and we have twenty miles or less gas left in the tank. A bit more preplanning on long journeys, yes. Being handicapped or at constant danger of running out of juice? Not an issue for most journeys, actually.
Pictures like the above might be conversation starters because of the current built-in anxiety about running out of juice with an electric car. If someone posted a picture of a petrol car having run out of gas and being assisted by the AA, nobody would bat an eyelid.
I can understand the unease at this moment in time if one needs to take a long journey into a remote area where the opportunities to recharge might be very limited. But for any given day journey with total distance less than a good 100+ miles (and that’s playing it super safe), you don’t need to worry about the need to recharge in the day anymore than then the driver of an ICE car should worry about topping up the engine oil levels ffs.
Pictures like the above might be conversation starters because of the current built-in anxiety about running out of juice with an electric car. If someone posted a picture of a petrol car having run out of gas and being assisted by the AA, nobody would bat an eyelid.
I can understand the unease at this moment in time if one needs to take a long journey into a remote area where the opportunities to recharge might be very limited. But for any given day journey with total distance less than a good 100+ miles (and that’s playing it super safe), you don’t need to worry about the need to recharge in the day anymore than then the driver of an ICE car should worry about topping up the engine oil levels ffs.
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It doesn't really matter how often it happens, it's the fact it happens at all that is off-putting.
With my petrol car I can happily drive 60 miles to visit my mum, take her on a day out to the seaside (40 miles each way), then drive home. At 200 miles that's less than half a tank.
With a Nissan Leaf e+ 62 kWh I might make that if I'm very lucky, but I wouldn't risk it, as running out of power on the motorway would be reckless. I certainly couldn't do it in adverse weather. So I'd need to charge it somewhere mid-trip. But with no charging points at any of the places we stop it would mean a dedicated stop at a motorway service station for a while. At the two service stations en-route there is one charger in one, and three chargers in the other. Chances are I'd have to queue there for an undetermined amount of time waiting for a charger, that's if they're not out of order. Sure there are other chargers, I could divert to some backstreet car park somewhere, but the planning and stress of it and the unknown amount of time it would take just makes the whole rigmarole undesirable.
When real-world range approaches 300 miles then the typical long journeys that most people make in a day become doable. But at the moment to get that you're talking ~£100k for a Tesla or Merc.
T & P
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A number of new models are claiming ranges in the 225-250 mile region. Not sure if that would be real world driving conditions, but if they are, that would do me fine, as should do for the majority of drivers for the overwhelming majority of their journeys.
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Claimed ranges aren't really achievable in the real world. For example the Nissan I used as an example has a claimed range of 239 miles but 200 is the real-world max. Usually there's wind, non-optimal temperatures, or a need to drive at more than 25mph and use the headlights, windscreen wipers etc. It's easy to look up the actual range performance online except for brand new models.
Anyway it's not the majority of journeys that can comfortably be completed within range that matter. It's that minority of important long-distance journeys that are the main consideration.
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If the number of charging points was to stay reliably ahead rather than behind demand, that would certainly help. However I don't have much faith that will happen any time soon.
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In a similar eye popping development, not quite an electric model, but Ferrari have just launched a hybrid. Looks pretty good too...
Ferrari 296 GTB Review 2023 | Top Gear
A big step forward: electricity used to add depth and dimension to the supercar. McLaren will have sleepless nights
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The styling is a rare miss from Ferrari on that. It looks like a McLaren Artura front end cut-and-shut onto a Corvette C7 rear.
Having said that, I'm sure it's a sporty drive.
Having said that, I'm sure it's a sporty drive.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yes please.
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Perhaps a sensible way forward at this point is to promote plug-in electric hybrids alongside EVs and allow manufacturers to continue building them well beyond 2030 or even 2035.
The way I see it, they seem to offer a pretty decent compromise at the present time, providing peace of mind for apprehensive would-be drivers whilst drastically cutting emissions vs pure ICE cars in urban environments, where it matters the most.
A few months ago I hired a BMW M1 plug-in hybrid, and even such heavy SUV high performance beast returned highly impressive figures, and more to the point I was able to clock a lot of urban miles on purely electric power. I would imagine a lighter and more modestly powered car could spend most of its urban life in electric mode even if it’s owner were a bit undisciplined about recharging the batteries.
The way I see it, they seem to offer a pretty decent compromise at the present time, providing peace of mind for apprehensive would-be drivers whilst drastically cutting emissions vs pure ICE cars in urban environments, where it matters the most.
A few months ago I hired a BMW M1 plug-in hybrid, and even such heavy SUV high performance beast returned highly impressive figures, and more to the point I was able to clock a lot of urban miles on purely electric power. I would imagine a lighter and more modestly powered car could spend most of its urban life in electric mode even if it’s owner were a bit undisciplined about recharging the batteries.
mx wcfc
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We have a plug in hybrid. It is great for local driving.
But for motorway driving, and once the battery has run out, we get about 30 mpg on petrol.
I agree the PHEVs are a sensible approach, but hey have to improve the mpg once the leccy has run out.
(we have a hybrid because we are positive about cutting emissions - it's just bloody hard work sometimes)
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Nice little EV over here ..
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
how come? I'd thought regenerative braking would improve fuel consumption.
Eta: I suppose weight of the battery doesn't help.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Not a lot of braking happens on the motorway.
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It transpires that science has got it all wrong. ICE's are not the worst cause of pollution after all; it is rubber.
www.theguardian.com
Car tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhausts, tests show
Toxic particles from tyre wear almost 2,000 times worse than from exhausts as weight of cars increases
Hollis
bloody furious
Wonder if these things will ever catch on. Looks like an updated Sinclair C5
Nimbus launches a tiny EV prototype that’s like a motorbike with a roof – TechCrunch
Nimbus
Room for two.
Nimbus launches a tiny EV prototype that’s like a motorbike with a roof – TechCrunch
Nimbus
Room for two.
