DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
You can get the Chery New Energy EQ2 with a completely simulated 5 speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. You can even 'stall' it.
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You can get the Chery New Energy EQ2 with a completely simulated 5 speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. You can even 'stall' it.
You can get the Chery New Energy EQ2 with a completely simulated 5 speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. You can even 'stall' it.
Mental. And I thought having flappy paddles for the level of brake regen was too much hassle.
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Books, not bombs
"It’s among the best attempts yet to give an electric car genuine dynamic appeal"
"this is the most pleasing driver’s car of its ilk "
"When you really want it to be good, this car is as often puzzling, alienating, even frustrating as it is exciting" Ford Mustang Mach-E GT review | Autocar
I understand the London Ambulance service have taken half a dozen on trial. Ford Mustang Mach-E review | Autocar
"this is the most pleasing driver’s car of its ilk "
"When you really want it to be good, this car is as often puzzling, alienating, even frustrating as it is exciting" Ford Mustang Mach-E GT review | Autocar
I understand the London Ambulance service have taken half a dozen on trial. Ford Mustang Mach-E review | Autocar
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Just… why? Are some drivers really that fucking stupid?You can get the Chery New Energy EQ2 with a completely simulated 5 speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. You can even 'stall' it.
Its a Ford suv / crossover. They've just tacked the mustang badge on it to give it extra appeal and to justify the high the price.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Chinese driving schools use them for people that want manual licences.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
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Books, not bombs
Best attempts yet. Implying it doesn't have it
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Who - apart from a small number of fragile dickheads - cares about “dynamic appeal” anyway? It’s a car. It will get you from A to B.
If you enjoy driving, go do track days. They’re brilliant, and you can actually learn to drive. The rest of the time, you’ll be in a queue. All those twats with 4.0 V8’s and active suspension etc are just fucking morons.
That’s one of the most stupid things I’ve ever heardYou can get the Chery New Energy EQ2 with a completely simulated 5 speed manual gearbox and clutch pedal. You can even 'stall' it.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Quite a few round here and they do look future, which is what EVs should look like.
Yes, its shows just how far technology is coming on. Its just a concept though that will be very unlikely to be anything like the road model as the cost will be stupendous as its basically been designed be Mercedes Formula 1. A lot of the range comes from incredible aerodynamics and much reduced weight.
Not that anyone needs this as very few mass production ICE cars can do this and lets face it, if you're driving that far you should be stopping several times anyway.
Anyway, video here about the car if anyone is interested.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Clearly manufacturers will use battery technology to differentiate their offer in the era of the electric car, and I suppose we will see many claims made which will be very hard for individual consumers to verify.
However, if we assume competing cars with similar sized batteries actually have the same amount of the overall vehicle price comprised of the battery cost, there’s a quirk of the economics which may make more expensive electric cars better value. At least while battery costs remain so high they make up a significant part of the forecourt price.
eg. If two competing EVs cost £35k and £40k and in both, £20k of that price is the battery, vehicle 2 is actually 1/3 more expensive than the first one, but can be had for just £5k more. I’d expect a £20k EV (excluding battery cost) to be a much nicer and better performing machine than one made to be sold for just £15k.
So in the era of the electric car, is taking the cheaper option going to be a false economy?
However, if we assume competing cars with similar sized batteries actually have the same amount of the overall vehicle price comprised of the battery cost, there’s a quirk of the economics which may make more expensive electric cars better value. At least while battery costs remain so high they make up a significant part of the forecourt price.
eg. If two competing EVs cost £35k and £40k and in both, £20k of that price is the battery, vehicle 2 is actually 1/3 more expensive than the first one, but can be had for just £5k more. I’d expect a £20k EV (excluding battery cost) to be a much nicer and better performing machine than one made to be sold for just £15k.
So in the era of the electric car, is taking the cheaper option going to be a false economy?
platinumsage
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spring-peeper
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That’s curiously free of information about how far you’re driving, in what conditions and which car. The average is rarely indicative of the whole distribution.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Doesn't take into account purchase price either. Especially important if you aren't well off enough to buy new cars.
Or indeed depreciation which is traditionally one of the biggest (perhaps the biggest?) cost of running a car.
Talking of studies I think it might be worthwhile to raise the interesting study carried out by Volvo to compare the carbon impact of EV's against ICE cars. The reason this study is so useful is because they have a car that is available in both EV and ICE but is made on the same production line using virtually all the same components apart from the means of propulsion. Its worth bearing in mind that this is a Volvo study, a manufacturer committed to being an EV only producer and probably the most socially conscious car manufacturer out there.
On this thread people have correctly pointed out that EV cars are not without their serious environmental problems due to the nature of battery production. I'm an advocate for EV's but have said all along they are not environmentally friendly, no private car can ever be.
The study basically found that in the worst case (where you solely recharge it in a country with a filthy electricity grid) it will take up to 90,000 miles driving in an EV before it becomes less carbon intensive than an ICE car. If you are in a country where there is a fair mix of renewable energy (such as the UK) it will be just over 50,000 and if you can solely use renewables its closer to 30,000.
Obviously this doesn't account for the immediate impact on air quality especially in urban areas.
My take from this is that we need to give up on the hope that some alternative fuel will appear and it will be the panacea that will solve all our problems and we won't have to change our lifestyle in anyway. EV's are not going to fix everything nor is Hydrogen or synthetic fuels. It ain't going to happen.
Anyway link here to a description of the report but there are plenty other reports out there: Volvo says electric car making emissions are 70% HIGHER than petrol
On this thread people have correctly pointed out that EV cars are not without their serious environmental problems due to the nature of battery production. I'm an advocate for EV's but have said all along they are not environmentally friendly, no private car can ever be.
The study basically found that in the worst case (where you solely recharge it in a country with a filthy electricity grid) it will take up to 90,000 miles driving in an EV before it becomes less carbon intensive than an ICE car. If you are in a country where there is a fair mix of renewable energy (such as the UK) it will be just over 50,000 and if you can solely use renewables its closer to 30,000.
Obviously this doesn't account for the immediate impact on air quality especially in urban areas.
My take from this is that we need to give up on the hope that some alternative fuel will appear and it will be the panacea that will solve all our problems and we won't have to change our lifestyle in anyway. EV's are not going to fix everything nor is Hydrogen or synthetic fuels. It ain't going to happen.
Anyway link here to a description of the report but there are plenty other reports out there: Volvo says electric car making emissions are 70% HIGHER than petrol
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Yes. Less “lifetime costs” more “operating costs“
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The problem is cars. The resources they use, the space they take up, the effect they have on our use of space. Nothing can change this. As long as we continue to prioritise them we’re fucked.
spring-peeper
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Canadians can travel 5x further in an EV than a gas car for same fuel cost: report
A 33-country study tallies up the difference in "fuelling" costs between electric vehicles and internal combustion engines
electricautonomy.ca
T & P
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I had to hire a Zipcar today, and it was a Vauxhall e-Corsa. As there has been much discussion here recently about the size and quantity of display screens on electric cars, I thought I’d share the view of the main instrument panel from the driver’s seat…
And guess what irrelevant piece of driving data the wheel was hiding, only to be revealed if one crouches down, as I was doing here:
And yes, I am aware both the steering wheel and the seat can be height-adjusted. Still a shit narrow view of the panel whatever you do.
And guess what irrelevant piece of driving data the wheel was hiding, only to be revealed if one crouches down, as I was doing here:
And yes, I am aware both the steering wheel and the seat can be height-adjusted. Still a shit narrow view of the panel whatever you do.
BigTom
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I had to hire a Zipcar today, and it was a Vauxhall e-Corsa. As there has been much discussion here recently about the size and quantity of display screens on electric cars, I thought I’d share the view of the main instrument panel from the driver’s seat…
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And guess what irrelevant piece of driving data the wheel was hiding, only to be revealed if one crouches down, as I was doing here:
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And yes, I am aware both the steering wheel and the seat can be height-adjusted. Still a shit narrow view of the panel whatever you do.
wow, that's really shit (unless you are a 7 foot tall giant?)... Pretty shocking that the steering wheel height adjustment doesn't have enough range to clear the top and you'd think they'd put the speedo lower if that's the case, surely this was tested with a range of people and heights??
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To be fair I didn't waste too much time trying to adjust everything to perfection for a 25-minute journey. I was able to read the speedo by stretching my neck a bit so I was compliant and safe, but that's not something you'd want to do regularly whilst driving. Pretty poor design overall. I'm of average height and the seat was adjusted to the 'standard' height that would work for most people who aren't either giants or very very short.
I am sure you must be able to get a clear view by combining everything right, but requiring fine tuning of both the wheel and the seat.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Another argument in favour of private car ownership vs hire cars: people are generally unfamilair with hire cars and often can't be arsed to set them up safely.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
I’m not sure “drivers are lazy” is quite the argument you think it is.
