DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
You have to consider what the resale market for ICE cars will be like in the 2030s. The long term depreciation on new ones is going to be horrific.
Electric cars
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You have to consider what the resale market for ICE cars will be like in the 2030s. The long term depreciation on new ones is going to be horrific.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Not if you lease, or finance with a guaranteed final value, which the vast majority do these days.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Will that not be build in to the sums?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Who knows? It’s the actual price differential that matters surely.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Looking forward to this though:
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Yes. Your right of course. I've never bought a new car, seems a very expensive affair. In theory electric cars should be able to last longer then ICE, although that doesn't seem to be the reality at the moment.
Edit: Yes if battery prices fall then buying ten year old ones will be less of an issue.
But if you lease the lease hire company will have factored that in already.
For example my company is unusual in that we buy our company cars rather than leasing. However with my new EV they have taken the unusual step of leasing because to their mind it looks a far better deal. Thing is the lease hire company know a lot more about the car market going forward and have taken that into account, hence it looks on paper a better deal.
There will people like kabbes where depreciation doesn't play a role but for a lot of people its clearly going to be very important in the overall cost of the vehicle. We all know depreciation on outdated tech is horrific.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
So all of this makes me think that for me, as a low mileage driver, an older second hand ICE car is the only option for the next 5-10 year period. EVs aren’t economic at low usage rates and new ICE cars will be nearly worthless by the time you want to sell them on.
Quite possibly yes, if money is the key consideration.
I think availability of the cars will be a bigger barrier to larger adoption than the traditional worries of range anxiety and charge point availability. In the short term anyway. For the time being EV's are mostly a wealthy persons thing. I was up in Maida Vale the other day and it seemed like every other car was an EV and hardly anyone has a driveway up there.
Its unfortunate that the demand for EV's has coincided at a time when production capacity is being limited by various external events. In 4 or 5 years things should look very different.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Touchscreens in cars are horrific and need getting rid of.The interior of the AMG EQS is fantastic. Want.
Yeah, I agree and so it seems most motoring journo's. They're always whingeing about them.
I don't mind touch screens which can only be used when the car is stationary and in park but things people fiddle with when driving such as climate and music should all be on knobs or proper dedicated buttons.
Thing is, having everything on one touch screen computer is cheaper and more futuristic but mainly cheaper. Its something being driven (ha) entirely by the manufacturers rather than the customer base. The fightback needs to start.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The only screen should be in the instrument cluster position. Even if the touch part of control panel is disabled whilst driving - and most aren't - having a massive information screen out of the drivers eye line is terrible design and dangerous.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Whoever is responsible for this needs to be forcibly removed from their job and never allowed near a car ever again.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I rather like Android Auto with Google Maps on it. I miss it in my current car.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It's all in the eye line, isn't that what you just said you wanted? Plus it's in line with the rear view cameras, surely that makes sense
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
No it's not, and what purpose does it serve? It's an utterly pointless and distracting load of crap.
my own touch screen will not work above 4 mph
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Less distracting than a small monochrome screen down by the aircon buttons with a radio-cassette player and an A-Z on the passenger seat.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
While the positioning of a lot of physical controls in cars over the years is somewhat questionable, at least you can operate them whilst keeping your eyes on the road, rather than having to look directly at them. A touchscreen in a car is intrinsically flawed. As Teaboy said, the only reason they're used is to save money.
There is no reason whatsoever that new cars can't have their satnav display incorporated into the central instrument cluster, as seemingly they're all screens now. Better would be a HUD, the tech for those is well established and cheap. Every other control should be a physical switch with associated tactile feedback.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
If by the central instrument cluster you mean the screen behind the steering wheel then you're wrong. Research has consistently shown that placement between the driver and passenger is best, especially for navigation. It's a lot shorter journey for your eyes to move from there to the road than it is from behind the steering wheel to the road. Hence that Honda you don't like is doing the right thing.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
You open the bonnet/frunk on the Rivian RT1 by using Alexa if anyone wants to be annoyed about that.
I'm very annoyed that you described it as a frunk. This is a British board and we use the Queen's here. It's a Froot.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
is it?
Aren't people looking forward/slightly towards the outside of the car and so it's further to go towards the centre as well down surely? What am I missing here?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Citation needed
In other EV news the rules regarding the grant for the installation of home chargers is being changed. From the end of March of 2022 home owners (as in freeholders) will no longer be entitled to claim the grant,
If you rent or you're a poor hard-up landlord the grant will still be available. I think it will also still be available for home owners who live in a leasehold property but there are some quite complicated rules around it.
I can see why they are looking harder at the rental sector but its just stealing from the left hand and giving to the right. This would appear to be another barrier (albeit a smallish one) being erected against wider adoption.
If you rent or you're a poor hard-up landlord the grant will still be available. I think it will also still be available for home owners who live in a leasehold property but there are some quite complicated rules around it.
I can see why they are looking harder at the rental sector but its just stealing from the left hand and giving to the right. This would appear to be another barrier (albeit a smallish one) being erected against wider adoption.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Modern cars have so many functions it wouldn't be feasible to do that. In the late noughties we had that brief period when electronic systems began to proliferate but before touchscreens so there were interiors with many physical buttons that were confusing and hard to use. eg 1st gen Panamera, F01 7 Series. And cars are way more complex now...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The crux of the problem right there. They're full of shit you don't need so that manufactures can come up with ever more complex option packs in a desperate attempt to make their car stand out, on account of modern cars now all essentially being exactly the same.
Bluetooth, air con, sat nav. That's all any car really needs nowadays. The rest is just shitty window dressing.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The G80 M4 has a drift analyzer which is fucking sicc.
