Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
More to do with growth in personal wealth and desire to mimic the “West”.
Electric cars
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Most people I asked about it ( a small sample 6/7? TBF) said it was about not being cold and wet. None of them said they had any desire to mimic us.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Ridiculous. Reminds me of the claim on the veggie thread that meat consumption in China has risen primarily because people want to impress their friends, not because it's a nutrient-rich food source that people like to eat.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
*citation needed
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Since the electric mini car will have a much lower mass, it will transfer less energy to a pedestrian in a collision. It’s not all about the shape of the bonnet.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It’s cos Chinese people are so different to us ininit. They don’t want to eat tasty food, have a nice warm house or not get cold and pissed wet through on their journey home from work because they have the same wants and desires as us, it’s because they want to ‘mimic the West’ or impress their associates.
BigTom
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Looks like as it's a quadricycle it doesn't need to go through ncap safety testing but i wonder if it has anything much in the way of crumple zones and how it compares to other micro cars like a smart car.
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Books, not bombs
This was certainly my experience of Viet Nam. Bikes were ridden by peasants and cars were driven by the mega rich, therefore the car was perceived as the must have aspirational possession.
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Books, not bombs
So there I was in the small hours of this morning slagging of electric cars to a paramedic. A bereaved member of family joined in and said he wasn't sure about electric cars but in any event said he wouldn't have one because the infrastructure was crap. He knows, because he worked for a company installing chargers 
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HaveMyPassword123
New Renault Zoe model gets zero stars in crash test.
www.autoexpress.co.uk
Pretty shit response from Renault, basically "we didn't think about keeping up with safety standards".
Renault Zoe awarded zero-star Euro NCAP safety rating | Auto Express
The all-electric Renault Zoe hatchback is only the third car in history to receive zero stars from Euro NCAP, despite the previous model scoring top marks
www.autoexpress.co.uk
Pretty shit response from Renault, basically "we didn't think about keeping up with safety standards".
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Books, not bombs
Is the typical electric car buyer going to be racing around in it, it is not exactly a boy racers car, more of a shopping trolley.
FWIW, I have watched the first two episodes of fifth gear recharged and have now driven 4 different electric cars; I am trying to feel the love.............
FWIW, I have watched the first two episodes of fifth gear recharged and have now driven 4 different electric cars; I am trying to feel the love.............
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You could say the same of ICE cars tbh. Most people don’t buy boy racer cars but a minority has always existed through the generations. The same will come to be with electric cars.
In fact, even in these very early days there are already a number of ludicrously fast premium cars, and now the first proper hot hatch electric cars are starting to emerge. Such as the Cupra electric.
Hell, the acceleration capability of electric cars will probably make some former boy racers who couldn’t afford anything better than a souped up Corsa back in the day wishing they were twenty again.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I definitely have some unfinished business from my boy racer days to get out of my ageing system. An electric hot hatch sounds ideal!
Why does it have to be that when you’re young and full of adrenaline and cum, the cars you can afford to buy (and insure) are shitty slow ones, then only when you’re an old fart do they let you drive the fast stuff, when your reaction times and fading eyesight are ill suited to controlling 300+ horsepower safely? In my twenties I had to make do with a Datsun Cherry 1.3 and a Ford Escort MkII 1.2 and both were screeched around roundabouts because that was about the only time you could get them on the limit.
I would’ve thought electric cars are perfectly suited to high performance as you can trade off range against acceleration. I wonder if the insurance industry is ready for the increase in accidents when young, testosterone filled teens start taking fast-accelerating electric cars out at night?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
And this is why electric cars are shit.I definitely have some unfinished business from my boy racer days to get out of my ageing system. An electric hot hatch sounds ideal!
Why does it have to be that when you’re young and full of adrenaline and cum, the cars you can afford to buy (and insure) are shitty slow ones, then only when you’re an old fart do they let you drive the fast stuff, when your reaction times and fading eyesight are ill suited to controlling 300+ horsepower safely? In my twenties I had to make do with a Datsun Cherry 1.3 and a Ford Escort MkII 1.2 and both were screeched around roundabouts because that was about the only time you could get them on the limit.
I would’ve thought electric cars are perfectly suited to high performance as you can trade off range against acceleration. I wonder if the insurance industry is ready for the increase in accidents when young, testosterone filled teens start taking fast-accelerating electric cars out at night?
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Is it?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yes. “Performance”, lol. 0-60 in half an hour as you’ll be stuck in a jam like everyone else.
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Books, not bombs
To be clear, I was relating to performance and poor crash rating of Renault Zoe. My point was does the poor crash rating matter that much if it's going to be driven around town at 20 mph.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Toyota abandon their hydrogen strategy and invest $70bn to switch to 100% electric by 2030.
www.reuters.com
I definitely feel like I've bought my last (new) ICE car.
Toyota commits $70 bln to bolster electrification, shares rally
Toyota Motor Corp on Tuesday committed 8 trillion yen ($70 billion) to electrify its automobiles by 2030, half of it to develop a battery electric vehicle (BEV) line-up, as it looks to tap a growing market for zero-emission cars.
I definitely feel like I've bought my last (new) ICE car.
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It's green. It's clean. It's plastic! UK-based Arrival reveals electric panel van with modular battery system | Auto Express
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Looks a bit like a cab design with a low windscreen which should be good for safety/visibility, Nice to see stuff evolving like this, not having an engine under the bonnet should give designers more scope for this type of thing rather than just aping how standard ICE vans look.
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HaveMyPassword123
Yes it looks great. Not sure I’d want to crash one on a motorway, but preferable for doing deliveries in urban areas compared to anything else currently on the market.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The interior of the AMG EQS is fantastic. Want.
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HaveMyPassword123
That's absolutely dreadful, it's supposed to be a car not a fucking arcade game. How does a blue light strip under all the windows help you drive at night?
Toyota abandon their hydrogen strategy and invest $70bn to switch to 100% electric by 2030.
Toyota commits $70 bln to bolster electrification, shares rally
Toyota Motor Corp on Tuesday committed 8 trillion yen ($70 billion) to electrify its automobiles by 2030, half of it to develop a battery electric vehicle (BEV) line-up, as it looks to tap a growing market for zero-emission cars.
I definitely feel like I've bought my last (new) ICE car.
I'm not surprised about Toyota dropping Hydrogen, they looked a bit of an outlier with everyone else going down the EV route. I still remain unconvinced that Hydrogen can be anything else but wishful thinking.
My new EV is still on order and is taking a long time but I also feel when it does arrive I will never have another ICE car, moreover its got me thinking that I will never change gear every again.
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HaveMyPassword123
Just had a look at my likely next new car due for 2023. Can't see myself getting anything other than the mildest of hybrids. Even plug-in hybrids don't make economic sense due to their higher purchase cost. EVs are way out with something like the ID4 in decent spec being £45K 
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Presumably DownwardDog is aged 18.
Just had a look at my likely next new car due for 2023. Can't see myself getting anything other than the mildest of hybrids. Even plug-in hybrids don't make economic sense due to their higher purchase cost. EVs are way out with something like the ID4 in decent spec being £45K
And the ID4 doesn't even look that good. My sister is getting one but I tried to suggest the Skoda Enyaq was the better choice but I don't think it has the right sort of badge for a village in the home counties.
With regard to cost of EV's most of them still have a very high upfront cost but depending on the amount of miles you do and how long you keep it for they have proven to be a very good investment. Their running costs in both fuel and maintenance have been much much lower and they have held their value very impressively against ICE cars and self-charging hybrids where depreciation is still a massive problem.
The initial cost of the car is only one factor (albeit a big one) and youtube is full of videos of people who have saved loads of money by switching to EV's. How this will play out in the future with souring electricity prices is unclear. Depreciation (or lack there-of) is not going to be a problem for EV's for a long time though as demand continues to easily outstrip supply.
MG, well the Chinese iteration of it, are producing some very affordable EV's at the moment. I think you can get a reasonably well equipped SUV / crossover thingy for £25k - £26k.
Something else to consider that in a few years there will be a glut of PHEV's coming onto the second hand market as pretty much all company car drivers are running PHEV's now. These will come off fleet in the next couple of years and these will have depreciated by more. Not new of course but good, well maintained and affordable.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I can see how this works for higher mileage drivers, who can amortise that wounding initial purchase price against lower incremental costs as they rack up the miles each year, but for “one a week supermarket“ car owners who cover 2,000 miles a year, it’s going to be a very long time before an ICE car looks like the worse option.
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HaveMyPassword123
At 8K miles a year at 42mpg, which is very average, I would use 2594 litres over three years, which is £3800 pounds. For an EV that might be ~£1000.
Most EVs seems to be 20% - 25% more expensive than equivalents. e.g. Volvo XC40 petrol vs electric £38k vs £48k or the petrol Nissan Qashqai vs the electric Nissa Ariya £31k vs £41k
That's more than ten years to break even for a typical driver.
Most EVs seems to be 20% - 25% more expensive than equivalents. e.g. Volvo XC40 petrol vs electric £38k vs £48k or the petrol Nissan Qashqai vs the electric Nissa Ariya £31k vs £41k
That's more than ten years to break even for a typical driver.
My recent 50% increase in electricity prices also doesn’t help my balance of costs.
I’ve been assuming for at least 5 years that my next car would be electric but whenever consider it, I’m still struggling to make sense of the economics. I buy a car new and hold it until it’s basically worthless, which makes depreciation even over 10 years kind of irrelevant, let alone over 5 years. I’m still using the Panda I bought in 2008 and the Yeti I bought in 2010. And whilst our mileage does vary quite a lot, it averages less than 5000 miles a year per car. On that basis, I’d be paying through the nose for an EV, so it would be out of moral duty rather than financial prudence.
I’ve been assuming for at least 5 years that my next car would be electric but whenever consider it, I’m still struggling to make sense of the economics. I buy a car new and hold it until it’s basically worthless, which makes depreciation even over 10 years kind of irrelevant, let alone over 5 years. I’m still using the Panda I bought in 2008 and the Yeti I bought in 2010. And whilst our mileage does vary quite a lot, it averages less than 5000 miles a year per car. On that basis, I’d be paying through the nose for an EV, so it would be out of moral duty rather than financial prudence.
