Electric cars

[Saul Goodman]

Subscribe, payg, contactless, whatever. Some way of there being charge points everywhere that nobody can claim as "theirs".

It's the only way it can work, and you get charged by the hour for as long as you're plugged in, regardless of whether or not you're actually taking a charge. And parking at one but not using it will have to be outlawed.

 

[alex_]

What's needed is a national street charging network you subscribe to, rather than it being attached to your home meter.

This won't ever happen.

Nearly all of the street parking points you are are on this model.

 

[Dogsauce]

I guess it’ll be something else for the neighbourhood ne’er-do-wells to hook their hydroponics set up into.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I guess it’ll be something else for the neighbourhood ne’er-do-wells to hook their hydroponics set up into.

We live in hope...

 

[Leafster]

One of life's great mysteries - (at least for me) appears to be about to be solved - How to charge a car when you have a terraced house..

Car Charging Points for Terraced Houses - Green Mole

There seem to be several companies developing or offering on-street charging.

This is one I like the look of which uses an app to activate and to enable you to pay.

Urban Electric Networks - pop up EV charging hubs

Pop up electric vehicle charging

www.urbanelectric.london

They did a pilot scheme in Oxford but it appears they've started rolling out real products now.

SPONSORED: The future of electric car charging has arrived in Dundee

 

[Teaboy]

One of the main reasons charging for those without a driveway will become such a massive thing is because it effects rich people and they're the ones buying EV's (at the moment anyway because of cost) and the country is built around their needs / wants.

Too often the conversation about driveways is binary haves and have nots but having a driveway is often not about wealth. Loads of rural poor have plenty of space to park their cars yet if you spend a day wandering around Maida Vale / St Johns Wood etc you'll see fabulous wealth, lots of EV's yet driveways are as rare as the proverbial.

This is what we need: Sweden Successfully Tests Wireless Charging Road Set to Revolutionize Mobility

Charge as you drive. Everyone pays for the leccy and road tax per mile driven.

 

[platinumsage]

There seem to be several companies developing or offering on-street charging.

This is one I like the look of which uses an app to activate and to enable you to pay.

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Urban Electric Networks - pop up EV charging hubs

Pop up electric vehicle charging

www.urbanelectric.london

They did a pilot scheme in Oxford but it appears they've started rolling out real products now.

SPONSORED: The future of electric car charging has arrived in Dundee

Another bunch of twats installing charging posts in the middle of pavements. They need to be installed in the road, either in the gutter or between parking spaces.

 

[Leafster]

Another bunch of twats installing charging posts in the middle of pavements. They need to be installed in the road, either in the gutter or between parking spaces.

If you look at their website there does seem to be an option to install them in the road gutter which would be useful for very narrow pavements.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

There seem to be several companies developing or offering on-street charging.

This is one I like the look of which uses an app to activate and to enable you to pay.

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Urban Electric Networks - pop up EV charging hubs

Pop up electric vehicle charging

www.urbanelectric.london

They did a pilot scheme in Oxford but it appears they've started rolling out real products now.

SPONSORED: The future of electric car charging has arrived in Dundee

That can get fucked. Why is it taking up pavement space? Put them in the road.

 

[Cid]

That can get fucked. Why is it taking up pavement space? Put them in the road.

I'm going to hazard a guess it's because of some kind of planning restriction.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I'm going to hazard a guess it's because of some kind of planning restriction.

I’d guess it’s because the people designing/implementing these things don’t think things through beyond the car.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

They'll work well in the gutter as they only pop up when you need then, i.e. when a stationary motor is next to one.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And browsing lease-hire EVs the other day, this one caught my eye:






Really quite like its looks, reasonable monthly rate too and only 1% benefit in kind tax for company car business....

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

They'll work well in the gutter as they only pop up when you need then, i.e. when a stationary motor is next to one.

Exactly, so why designers keep putting them in pavements is a bit of a mystery.

 

[Teaboy]

Yeah the Ioniq 5 and its sister car the Kia EV are really something. When they build EV's from scratch its playtime for the designers. Look at this concept Audi even I would be tempted if I had the cash and it actually existed. I could live with people calling me a cunt regularly I think.

 

[Leafster]

And browsing lease-hire EVs the other day, this one caught my eye:

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Really quite like its looks, reasonable monthly rate too and only 1% benefit in kind tax for company car business....

I had a close look at one at Fully Charged Live. I think I could have test-driven one but I didn't realise until too late. They are a lot bigger than they look in the photos - I think the wheelbase is about the same as a Range Rover. The interior looks pretty luxurious and there's loads of space inside.

 

[Cid]

I’d guess it’s because the people designing/implementing these things don’t think things through beyond the car.

It is just going to be harder to get permissions for putting shit in a public highway. Planning departments are mad bureaucracies at the best of times, but roads... Also you'll have crap like drainage going on underneath. I'm not saying it's good, but it's guaranteed to be easier.

 

[teuchter]

On-street charging points should only be allowed if integrated in the sides of bike hangars. So, if you want charging points for your street, you first have to lobby for a parking space to be given over to a bike hangar. You would have a ratio of 2 charging points : 5 bike parking slots which sounds reasonable.

 

[platinumsage]

It is just going to be harder to get permissions for putting shit in a public highway. Planning departments are mad bureaucracies at the best of times, but roads... Also you'll have crap like drainage going on underneath. I'm not saying it's good, but it's guaranteed to be easier.

Basically they can’t be arsed to do it properly. Appealing planning refusals and overcoming any objections of the local highways authority should be routine for any serious company doing work like this, see mobile phones masts as an example. Drains is no excuse as these are just as likely to be under the pavement along with other services.

 

[Teaboy]

On-street charging points should only be allowed if integrated in the sides of bike hangars. So, if you want charging points for your street, you first have to lobby for a parking space to be given over to a bike hangar. You would have a ratio of 2 charging points : 5 bike parking slots which sounds reasonable.

A bike thief writes:

Great idea! I fucking love those shelters - they put my kids through college

Seriously though, is there any requirement for them on suburban side streets? Surely people want to keep their bikes where they live not abandoned on the roadside?

 

[Cid]

Basically they can’t be arsed to do it properly. Appealing planning refusals and overcoming any objections of the local highways authority should be routine for any serious company doing work like this, see mobile phones masts as an example. Drains is no excuse as these are just as likely to be under the pavement along with other services.

Money.

 

[platinumsage]

Money.

Exactly. There are no practical considerations that can’t be overcome to put them in the road, it’s just slightly easier and cheaper to obstruct the pavement. Their decision, entirely their fault, and it makes them twats, as I said.

 

[Cid]

Exactly. There are no practical considerations that can’t be overcome to put them in the road, it’s just slightly easier and cheaper to obstruct the pavement. Their decision, entirely their fault, and it makes them twats, as I said.

I honestly couldn’t give a fuck what you think. It will be some stupid balance of cost, compromising with various planning departments, lack of any coherent national plan for this kind of thing and the fact these are essentially proof of concept. That’s it. They can fuck off too, because it’s still objective pretty stupid, I have many fuck offs to hand out.

 

[teuchter]

A bike thief writes:

Great idea! I fucking love those shelters - they put my kids through college

Seriously though, is there any requirement for them on suburban side streets? Surely people want to keep their bikes where they live not abandoned on the roadside?

There's a requirement for them anywhere that not everyone is able to keep them at home. There are waiting lists for spaces in them, in areas where a lot of people don't have any outside space, and/or live in small flats, and/or can only access any potential space by climbing stairs.

I'd say there will be a correlation in most areas between number of people who can't store a bike at home, and number of people who can only park and charge their car on street.

In areas where there's no need for bike hangars, the charge points should be integrated into the sides of a parking bay which has been converted to green space with seating.

 

[Leafster]

There's a requirement for them anywhere that not everyone is able to keep them at home. There are waiting lists for spaces in them, in areas where a lot of people don't have any outside space, and/or live in small flats, and/or can only access any potential space by climbing stairs.

I'd say there will be a correlation in most areas between number of people who can't store a bike at home, and number of people who can only park and charge their car on street.

In areas where there's no need for bike hangars, the charge points should be integrated into the sides of a parking bay which has been converted to green space with seating.

I know this is off-topic but are there any planning regulations for new build properties to ensure there's adequate bike parking?

 

[Teaboy]

I know this is off-topic but are there any planning regulations for new build properties to ensure there's adequate bike parking?

Yes.

There's a requirement for them anywhere that not everyone is able to keep them at home. There are waiting lists for spaces in them, in areas where a lot of people don't have any outside space, and/or live in small flats, and/or can only access any potential space by climbing stairs.

I'd say there will be a correlation in most areas between number of people who can't store a bike at home, and number of people who can only park and charge their car on street.

In areas where there's no need for bike hangars, the charge points should be integrated into the sides of a parking bay which has been converted to green space with seating.

Sounds to me like you're more interested in erecting barriers to EV adoption than building shelters

 

[MickiQ]

I know this is off-topic but are there any planning regulations for new build properties to ensure there's adequate bike parking?

This isn't likely to be a problem for houses even those that don't have a garage will be able to put a shed in the garden, perhaps it ought to be mandatory for blocks of flats though

 

[teuchter]

This isn't likely to be a problem for houses even those that don't have a garage will be able to put a shed in the garden, perhaps it ought to be mandatory for blocks of flats though

It is generally mandatory for blocks of flats and also for workplaces. Depends a bit on the local authority I think.

 

[teuchter]

Yes.



Sounds to me like you're more interested in erecting barriers to EV adoption than building shelters

Under my proposals the barriers would be erected by anyone resisting giving over street space to cyclists and pedestrians - something which would have much greater beneficial impact than a transition from one type of car to another.

 

[dessiato]

Under my proposals the barriers would be erected by anyone resisting giving over street space to cyclists and pedestrians - something which would have much greater beneficial impact than a transition from one type of car to another.

Unless, of course, you need to travel any distance for work etc. As I'm sure even you understand, there's circumstances in which walking or cycling is at best difficult, at worst impossible.