Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Really? It doesn't surprise you that teuchter has a friend? I call BS.
Electric cars
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Not much use if you have a garage and no drive/on-street parking. Also probably not much use west of the pennines either.
2hats
Dust.
Weakening Quasi-Biennial Oscillation and impending La Niña might bring an unwelcome surprise - weakening Atlantic winds. To quote the Met Office last week: "The increased likelihood of settled conditions in October brings greater-than-usual chances of frost, fog and light winds that may lead to issues for the renewable energy sector".
So what?
They'll fire up the old coal power stations or do you think the country will just go without electricity?
You seem to be making the all too common mistake that those who choose electric are all eco-warriors. Seems to happen all the time and its a bit weird tbh. I mentioned to my friends in passing today that I will no longer that I will no longer have to worry about petrol shortages or such shit as soon as my electric car gets delivered, Two of them went into some bizarre rant about it getting delivered on a diesel lorry and via shipping. Not sure what any of that had to do with it but there we go.
I'm really not sure what makes people so defensive on this subject, its actually quite amusing to watch.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Tidal power is, to me, the most sensible option. It's absolutely predictable.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
There were plans to do something in the Severn Estuary but - well I don't know what happened to it.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Hinkley B nuclear power station won the funding and took the grid connection iirc.
Signal 11
also programmed for conversational english
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The loss of habitat a tidal station would have caused was too much, so they built a nuclear reactor there instead.
2hats
Dust.
You appear to be the one possessed of the incorrect assumptions here, and have totally missed the point.
I'm all in favour of binning off ICE (got rid of my car earlier this year) but it could get interesting in a time of 'gas politics' given wind typically delivers one-quarter to one-third of electrical power provision.
Defensive eh?
Tried the politics forum?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Saw a brand new Honda E parked round the corner the other day in a very nice blue colour, it looked quite a cool little car. Then I saw the £30k price tag.
The 1/2 tank of petrol in your car will be worth 30k by Friday
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
I must admit, the sparky has come into its own this weekend. What started out as a car to save a fair bit of tax (and be really cheap to run as we have solar panels) is a bit of a lifesaver. We are now ‘on call’ in our village as there’s no fuel for a 15/20 mile radius so happy to ferry people to hospital, doctors etc. My car on the other hand, is sitting with about 25 miles of fuel as I was going to fill up this weekend....
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
This is interesting. Tesla continuously monitor driving behaviours and allocate every Tesla owners a 'Safety Score' on a scale of 0-100. The 100 Club are the first to get the new Full Self Driving beta software.
insideevs.com
Tesla Turns Safety Into A Game: What's Your Tesla Safety Score?
Tesla is working to expand its own car insurance, as well as roll out its FSD Beta to a wider audience. Its new Safety Score could is an industry game-changer.
insideevs.com
I think that is a fair and accurate summary.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
I'm going to file this under "I'll believe it when I see it" but apparently I'll only need to leave it filed for a couple of months:
www.bloomberg.com
Europe before the end of the year... reckon they can charge any battery to full in 15 minutes. This is beyond what Tesla claim for the V3 (they say 80% in 20 minutes, and only on their cars). I doubt any vehicle could be charged that quickly but ones capable of receiving whatever the huge wattage of these chargers could.
A New EV Charger Can Provide 100 Kilometers of Range in 3 Minutes
ABB Ltd. is preparing to roll out the first of its ultra-fast charging stations in a matter of weeks, providing enough power in less than three minutes to charge any electric car to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles).
www.bloomberg.com
Europe before the end of the year... reckon they can charge any battery to full in 15 minutes. This is beyond what Tesla claim for the V3 (they say 80% in 20 minutes, and only on their cars). I doubt any vehicle could be charged that quickly but ones capable of receiving whatever the huge wattage of these chargers could.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
There are already 350kW chargers in the wild. This is only an extra 10kW, so hardly groundbreaking, but I'm waiting for something serious to go wrong, as charging at those rates it dangerous, and can't be good for the batteries.I'm going to file this under "I'll believe it when I see it" but apparently I'll only need to leave it filed for a couple of months:
A New EV Charger Can Provide 100 Kilometers of Range in 3 Minutes
ABB Ltd. is preparing to roll out the first of its ultra-fast charging stations in a matter of weeks, providing enough power in less than three minutes to charge any electric car to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles).
Europe before the end of the year... reckon they can charge any battery to full in 15 minutes. This is beyond what Tesla claim for the V3 (they say 80% in 20 minutes, and only on their cars). I doubt any vehicle could be charged that quickly but ones capable of receiving whatever the huge wattage of these chargers could.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I’m sure the headline claim 100km in 3 mins is probably well founded, but the “fully charge any auto battery in 15 mins” bit smacks of ill informed journalistic extrapolation.
Bulk charging a lithium battery (the “CC” bit of the curve when you can dump lots of current in without the terminal voltage rising above the safe limit) can certainly be done very quickly, hence the 100km in 3 mins bit ringing true. “Fully charged” implies a taper charge in the “CV” part of the lithium charging curve, when the terminal voltage is held constant at the max the battery can take (say, 4.2V per cell) and the current absorbed by the battery tapers down to close to zero, at which point it’s fully charged.
I don’t see that any charger can do that in 15 mins as it‘s limited by the battery chemistry - they will only absorb energy at a certain rate if their voltage is not to rise above the safe limit. I think the journalists have misunderstood whatever info ABB put out and have summarised it in a misleading way, as journalists tend to do. But I could be wrong.
By the way, if the trend is towards ever faster charging points, which it clearly is, I wonder what this will do to the longevity of EV battery packs, as battery life is strongly influenced (degraded) by temperature and charging ever faster inevitably raises battery temperature. Probably in “real world conditions“ the onboard BMS on the EV will limit the charging rate to keep battery temp within an acceptable range, so many of the theoretical max charging rates of ever more powerful chargers will not be seen in practice. For sure the motoring journalists will only ever test them on brand new EVs with batteries in the best possible condition.
Bulk charging a lithium battery (the “CC” bit of the curve when you can dump lots of current in without the terminal voltage rising above the safe limit) can certainly be done very quickly, hence the 100km in 3 mins bit ringing true. “Fully charged” implies a taper charge in the “CV” part of the lithium charging curve, when the terminal voltage is held constant at the max the battery can take (say, 4.2V per cell) and the current absorbed by the battery tapers down to close to zero, at which point it’s fully charged.
I don’t see that any charger can do that in 15 mins as it‘s limited by the battery chemistry - they will only absorb energy at a certain rate if their voltage is not to rise above the safe limit. I think the journalists have misunderstood whatever info ABB put out and have summarised it in a misleading way, as journalists tend to do. But I could be wrong.
By the way, if the trend is towards ever faster charging points, which it clearly is, I wonder what this will do to the longevity of EV battery packs, as battery life is strongly influenced (degraded) by temperature and charging ever faster inevitably raises battery temperature. Probably in “real world conditions“ the onboard BMS on the EV will limit the charging rate to keep battery temp within an acceptable range, so many of the theoretical max charging rates of ever more powerful chargers will not be seen in practice. For sure the motoring journalists will only ever test them on brand new EVs with batteries in the best possible condition.
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yep. There’s a very large “but physics…” hanging over these claims.
That said, approx 100km of range for a 3 min charge is more than adequate for the vast majority of users real world needs.
I'm going to file this under "I'll believe it when I see it" but apparently I'll only need to leave it filed for a couple of months:
A New EV Charger Can Provide 100 Kilometers of Range in 3 Minutes
ABB Ltd. is preparing to roll out the first of its ultra-fast charging stations in a matter of weeks, providing enough power in less than three minutes to charge any electric car to drive 100 kilometers (62 miles).
Europe before the end of the year... reckon they can charge any battery to full in 15 minutes. This is beyond what Tesla claim for the V3 (they say 80% in 20 minutes, and only on their cars). I doubt any vehicle could be charged that quickly but ones capable of receiving whatever the huge wattage of these chargers could.
Even if this does come about it will only be a novelty. I'm led to believe that repeated use of rapid chargers is not good for the longevity of the batteries. They should be for occasional use only, like for unusually long journeys.
I'm not sure EV manufacturers will want to design their cars to accept this level of charge when they are selling them with 7/8 year warranties on the batteries.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
The Kia EV6 has turned my head
www.kia.com
77kWh battery for 328 mile range, good styling and 18 mins to charge from 10% up to 80% on a suitable fast charger. Mind you, £40k for the base model and £47k for an AWD version cools my fire somewhat, considering it’s basically a medium hatchback.
I‘ll give it 5 to 10 years and come back to electric cars, when they might be more sensibly priced.
EV6 Electric Car | Kia UK
The new Kia EV6 electric vehicle can be charged from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes using an ultra-fast charger (260 kW).
77kWh battery for 328 mile range, good styling and 18 mins to charge from 10% up to 80% on a suitable fast charger. Mind you, £40k for the base model and £47k for an AWD version cools my fire somewhat, considering it’s basically a medium hatchback.
I‘ll give it 5 to 10 years and come back to electric cars, when they might be more sensibly priced.
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The Kia EV6 has turned my head
EV6 Electric Car | Kia UK
The new Kia EV6 electric vehicle can be charged from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes using an ultra-fast charger (260 kW).
77kWh battery for 328 mile range, good styling and 18 mins to charge from 10% up to 80% on a suitable fast charger. Mind you, £40k for the base model and £47k for an AWD version cools my fire somewhat, considering it’s basically a medium hatchback.
I‘ll give it 5 years and come back to electric cars, when they might be more sensibly priced.
The EV6 and it's sibling the Hyundai Ionic 5 are definitely part of the next generation of EV's. Proper built from the ground up EV's with decent range and all the modern gadgets. I've test driven both of them and thought they were great fun but they were both too expensive for the budget and too big. Personally I wouldn't describe them as medium sized cars as they are notably bigger than the ID3 I've ordered, which is basically the size of a golf, astra etc.
Five years seems about right and is in line with what the manufacturers are saying for when EV's will be comparable or cheaper than ICE cars. The only thing I would say though is looking at purchase price is only one part of the picture and as EV's are in short supply at the moment the depreciation on them is tiny compared to ICE cars. That's not going to change for a good while. The actual real world cost of running an EV when everything is factored in including depreciation and it will probably look a good purchase, relatively speaking anyway.
Leafster
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I wouldn't have said the EV6 was a medium sized car either. The total length might be less than say a Mondeo but the wheelbase (which is probably a better indicator of interior space) is longer. I guess it's down to not needing a long bonnet to accommodate an internal combustion engine.
Yeah, you can see from that photo just how far the front axle has been pushed out. With no requirement for an engine bay the opportunities for internal space are so much greater. See also no need for teh transmission tunnel (or whatever it is) that usually runs from the engine to the rear axle. That leaves a big lump running through the middle of the car making sat on the middle seat in the back uncomfortable.
That's all gone and its flat floors all the way across. So much better.
That's all gone and its flat floors all the way across. So much better.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
Ok, I was wrong about the medium hatchback description - I did get deceived by the proportions as Leafster said. Looking again at the photo I can see how it has a wheel on each corner, so probably goes round corners well, as long as the weight of it isn’t swollen too much by all that battery capacity.
Even if the running costs are low, that stupidly high purchase price is such a barrier, I kinda resent it since I’d love to own one. It would have to be the AWD version though as the roads are icy half the year where I live and £47k…. Forget it.
