teuchter
je suis teuchter
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Electric cars
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There are if it’s over a certain number of units, yes, though may be a local rather than national policy. We have one of those proper almost vertical bike racks in a storage area in our flat, I bought it on eBay from someone in a block of flats up in the midlands that had to install it when the flats were built, but nobody used it. Probably breached a planning condition when they flogged it to me.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Also useful if you wanted to tip someone’s car over if they were parked above it in the gutter...
hash tag
Books, not bombs
A £6000 electric car. I have seen the future https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/n...tm_source=campaign monitor&utm_term=Read more
T & P
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Ignoring the cost for a moment, to which extent would solar panels covering the roof of a car increase its range? Not much I guess, or it would have happened already.
Has solar cell technology improved at the same rate as other technologies over the decades? ICE engines and electric/ battery systems are undoubtedly a fair deal more efficient than they were twenty or even ten years ago. But you seldom read about how amazingly better solar panels are at converting energy today than they were thirty years ago.
Has solar cell technology improved at the same rate as other technologies over the decades? ICE engines and electric/ battery systems are undoubtedly a fair deal more efficient than they were twenty or even ten years ago. But you seldom read about how amazingly better solar panels are at converting energy today than they were thirty years ago.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Well, someone hasn't been paying attention.
T & P
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Admittedly I am guilty of that, or at least of not remembering what I might previously read on a given thread. Made even worse if I’m having a drink at the time.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
1. Not much
2. They have, but the other massive change is the decrease in the price of PV panels. In the UK at the moment, until we get meaningful storage we almost have "too much solar' a windy sunny weekend afternoon can make it difficult to balance the grid. Once we have more storage, and intelligent both way chargers for EV batteries might be part of that then more PV solar would be grand.
BigTom
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Little to nothing. The extra weight of the solar panels reduces the gains you might make.
Additionally to that, the roof of a car, moving and in and out of shade and almost never at the ideal angle for the sun is one of the least efficient places to generate electricity. Far better to have solar plants (or even roof panels) operating at peak efficiency and taking the transmission losses to transfer that energy across the grid to the car.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Given the loss of revenue from fuel duty, and that this can't reasonably be transferred to electricity due its other uses, it seems like road pricing is inevitable:
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
There isn’t a company in Germany that is giving this a go. I’m not going to lie, I am very, very tempted. They say the solar roof will give up to 200km charge each day.
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MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
200km? Hmmm.
From their FAQ: “The solar module of the driver's cab can generate 260 Wp, the centre cabin 360 Wp and the rear module 200 Wp” so in full sun, directly overhead and perpendicular to the panels, there’s a max of 820W of charging power available from solar. Obviously you can’t sustain those optimal conditions all day as the sun moves and the angle becomes more oblique, so the charging rate would decline, but let’s pretend you can get a full 8 hours at 820W - you’ve made around 6.5kWh of electricity (820x8/1000).
To drive 200km on that you‘d need the vehicle to consume just 0.03Kwh per km. It‘s normally at least 0.2kWh per km something doesn’t add up.
820Wp of solar panels is not a lot btw, because space on a vehicle roof is very limited. Also, as the owner of some solar panels I can tell you the number of days a year where the sky is clear enough for them to produce at their rated Wp is tiny. More typically you’ll get half that rate for only the best couple of hours of the day, and still less for the rest of the day.
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
We have solar panels too so do understand their workings in relation to our house.
I quite like the modular part of it and the price point. Granted it’s never going to be the long distance workhorse, but for a city vehicle, it does have its merits. Be one to keep an eye on I think.
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
3 miles sounds a lot more reasonable
Leafster
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There's also the Lightyear One which is supposed to be launched about now. (having looked at their website it seems to be summer of 2022 now)
It has 5 square metres of solar panels and supposedly can provide 12 km of range for an hour sat in the sun.
Long Range Solar Electric Vehicle | Lightyear One
Cost? Around €150,000
It has 5 square metres of solar panels and supposedly can provide 12 km of range for an hour sat in the sun.
Long Range Solar Electric Vehicle | Lightyear One
Cost? Around €150,000
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
BigTom
Well-Known Member
That hour being 12noon-1pm on a clear summer day no doubt...
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
In California.
I’m coming charging in to this thread like a n00b, having not read it at all. Apologies if this has been answered already.
I was wondering about the longevity of the current crop of electric cars. If I were to buy a new one today, how long could I expect its lifespan to be? Would I need to — could I even manage to — change the batteries out at some point? How much does that cost, if it is possible?
We have two cars, both bought new. One is now 13 years old, the other is 10. Both are still going strong. As and when it’s time to replace them, electric seems like the inevitable choice — can I expect another 15+ year lifespan?
Obviously, this is tied up with the second-hand market too. Have they been around long enough for a second-hand market to properly form? How much is a three year old one compared with a new one?
I was wondering about the longevity of the current crop of electric cars. If I were to buy a new one today, how long could I expect its lifespan to be? Would I need to — could I even manage to — change the batteries out at some point? How much does that cost, if it is possible?
We have two cars, both bought new. One is now 13 years old, the other is 10. Both are still going strong. As and when it’s time to replace them, electric seems like the inevitable choice — can I expect another 15+ year lifespan?
Obviously, this is tied up with the second-hand market too. Have they been around long enough for a second-hand market to properly form? How much is a three year old one compared with a new one?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I went for my first trip in an all electric car at the weekend.
This belongs to a friend who confessed that the car being electric makes her feel less guilty about using it, and therefore uses it more than she would a petrol car. This influenced by it being cheaper to run too.
She said she often uses it for the school run which would be feasible on foot, just taking rather longer. She would do the school run by bicycle if the roads weren't as busy and didn't feel dangerous. And so we see the longstanding vicious circle where people use cars as a result of cars making roads too dangerous or unpleasant for other modes. And electric cars do exactly zero to break this - if anything they make it worse.
This belongs to a friend who confessed that the car being electric makes her feel less guilty about using it, and therefore uses it more than she would a petrol car. This influenced by it being cheaper to run too.
She said she often uses it for the school run which would be feasible on foot, just taking rather longer. She would do the school run by bicycle if the roads weren't as busy and didn't feel dangerous. And so we see the longstanding vicious circle where people use cars as a result of cars making roads too dangerous or unpleasant for other modes. And electric cars do exactly zero to break this - if anything they make it worse.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
I’m expecting that the car market will go a bit like the mobile phone market, with lots of jumps in technology or pointless gizmos that mean people get a new car when they want new features/battery life or some status boost rather than when their old car is fucked, though I expect many are already like that with ICE cars.
Some stuff will last longer as the drive chain is smoother and cleaner, less stuff shaking about. Early models will probably have good longevity as with any new electrical product - the first models are built to definitely work reliably, then most of the follow-up design and engineering work will be focused on making them more cheaply to improve profits, finding or designing components that have the minimum lifespan they can get away with. Capitalism will determine lifespan, not technology.
ETA: I suspect there will be a growing second hand market based on ex-lease cars, but maybe a couple of years before they appear in any numbers.
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
Absolutely no surprises there at all.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
Even though the bodywork and trim are shoddy in the extreme the drivetrain of a Tesla is massively over-engineered. There are plenty of Model S that have done 1,000,000km+.
It costs tens of thousands to replace a battery pack as they are built into the floor so you have to completely dismantle the car. Once it's out of warranty (7 years for Tesla) you almost certainly wouldn't bother.
This sounds good. The fact that they have done far more miles than I would ever need gives me hope that they can last more than long enough
This is more worrying. Less for the current Teslas that can go for a million kilometres, and more for future less over-engineered models. You don't want cars that become unusable after 7 or 10 years.
Signal 11
also programmed for conversational english
Leafs can get new batteries. They can even fit the higher capacity ones in the old cars as they're the same physical size.
This one at 10 years old hadn't had anything go wrong but had lost a fair amount of range. They should be the worst for that as they have no battery management.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
My dad had a hybrid Lexus thing and the battery went on that, it was under warranty, but if it were out of warranty that would be £8,000, thank you very much...
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I’m fairly sure a market for second life car battery packs will emerge for home energy. A 70/80 degradation will still be fine to bolt to the side of your house and charge overnight and use in the afternoons.
Yes. Spot on and I've said exactly this earlier in the thread. Pay by the mile is inevitable.
I'm not sure its going to be available in the UK. Most cars that have PV on the roof are not available on its UK models.
Agreed, no surprise at all that teuchter friend is a dick. On the plus side at least they are not parked up outside the school, idling the engine and pumping poisoned air into the classrooms which I have no doubt is something they used to do.
Round my way the council have had to resort to banning motor vehicles from roads where schools are located for a short periods at the start and the end of the school day. They've literally had to change road rules and put up signs and pay for enforcement just to stop lazy parents on the school run. Mental really.
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