I find this rather disturbing. Are our streets to be policed by tattotoed pumped up hard men who are kept informed of society's failings by the redtops?
EDL watch
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J Ed
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What does that mean?
It means look at the guy in the picture associated with the guardian article.
I haven't made the assumption that all tattooed people are EDL supporters.
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
Tattoo wise, I think it is easy to tell and EDLer as their tats are utter shite (generalising a bit there but the far right do seem to have the monopoly of utterly shit tattoos - usually involving a faded St G cross, some templar knights or some wank EDL emblem which they are going to have to explain away when the EDL are long forgotten)
framed
Leave it!
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
kicking off in Rotherham
https://twitter.com/AntiFascistNetw
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gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
word I would use is amusing
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
depressing.
Latest 'Malatesta' on Rotherham. Additional contributions welcome.
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/the-vultures-of-rotherham-3/
Latest 'Malatesta' on Rotherham. Additional contributions welcome.
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/the-vultures-of-rotherham-3/
Theisticle
Well-Known Member
Fucking scum:
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Still not laughing at the English Defence League
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Sometimes a caption is too.
While looking for coverage of the far-right’s attempts to exploit the tragedy in Rotherham to stir up a bit of cheap publicity, I stumbled across something that stuck in my head and bothered me in a way that silly facebook posts don’t normally do. The post in question was from “Patriots Against Society”, one of the myriad of daft EDL News-style pages and accounts that parody the far right:
Something about the combination of that banner and that “antifascist” response really gets to me. It’s a powerful message: drawing on a memory of class hatred of the police going back thirty years to their actions as an occupying army in the miners’ strike, making links between the contempt shown for working-class football fans in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster and the contempt for young working-class girls that enabled the horrific abuse in Rotherham to go on for so long. And what do “anti-racists” have to say in response? “Lol, look at the thickos who can’t spell.”
The case against “anti-fascist” snobbery has been made before, of course, but it seems to be one of those arguments that needs to be made time and time again. The situation in Rotherham is a difficult and complicated one - I’m not used to finding myself agreeing with the demands put forward by far-right groups, but it’s hard to see how anyone could disagree with the EDL’s demand that Shaun Wright needs to go. The standard UAF model of organising demos where the speakers’ platform is a lash-up between the SWP and local bigwigs was never that good to start with, but it could be terrifyingly counter-productive in a situation like Rotherham, where a platform dominated by Weyman Bennett and local councillors would look like a who’s who of abuse enablers.
Orgreave, Hillsborough, Rotherham. The person who made that banner was angry, and they had good reasons for being angry, and the fact that they were out marching with the EDL should give us pause for thought. In a situation like this, the need for an anti-fascist movement that’s populist, anti-state, anti-establishment and can talk about class is more urgent than ever [...]
http://nothingiseverlost.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/still-not-laughing-at-the-english-defence-league/They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Sometimes a caption is too.
While looking for coverage of the far-right’s attempts to exploit the tragedy in Rotherham to stir up a bit of cheap publicity, I stumbled across something that stuck in my head and bothered me in a way that silly facebook posts don’t normally do. The post in question was from “Patriots Against Society”, one of the myriad of daft EDL News-style pages and accounts that parody the far right:
Something about the combination of that banner and that “antifascist” response really gets to me. It’s a powerful message: drawing on a memory of class hatred of the police going back thirty years to their actions as an occupying army in the miners’ strike, making links between the contempt shown for working-class football fans in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster and the contempt for young working-class girls that enabled the horrific abuse in Rotherham to go on for so long. And what do “anti-racists” have to say in response? “Lol, look at the thickos who can’t spell.”
The case against “anti-fascist” snobbery has been made before, of course, but it seems to be one of those arguments that needs to be made time and time again. The situation in Rotherham is a difficult and complicated one - I’m not used to finding myself agreeing with the demands put forward by far-right groups, but it’s hard to see how anyone could disagree with the EDL’s demand that Shaun Wright needs to go. The standard UAF model of organising demos where the speakers’ platform is a lash-up between the SWP and local bigwigs was never that good to start with, but it could be terrifyingly counter-productive in a situation like Rotherham, where a platform dominated by Weyman Bennett and local councillors would look like a who’s who of abuse enablers.
Orgreave, Hillsborough, Rotherham. The person who made that banner was angry, and they had good reasons for being angry, and the fact that they were out marching with the EDL should give us pause for thought. In a situation like this, the need for an anti-fascist movement that’s populist, anti-state, anti-establishment and can talk about class is more urgent than ever [...]
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Vice article makes the same point about the credibility of the SWP
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-simon-childs-jake-lewis-2014-837
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/edl-rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-simon-childs-jake-lewis-2014-837
Kev Scott LTJ
Active Member
Presumably the EDL will now piss off from Rotherham cop shop: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29220535
Just leaving behind piss stains on the wall and a huge pile of empty cans?
Just leaving behind piss stains on the wall and a huge pile of empty cans?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
So, they are all but gone, like a turd that has progressed beyond the dry white stain on the grass phase and has lost it's capacity to intimidate.
What have been the political lessons, and, has anyone, apart from posters here, taken them on board?
Why did their leadership really jump ship and what are they doing now?
Can UAF claim any credit for their demise and what state have they left anti-fascism in?
How dangerous are the openly fascist groups that emerged more emboldened from the EDl milieu?
Did the EDl achieve anything, and what was their true aim in the first place?
What have been the political lessons, and, has anyone, apart from posters here, taken them on board?
Why did their leadership really jump ship and what are they doing now?
Can UAF claim any credit for their demise and what state have they left anti-fascism in?
How dangerous are the openly fascist groups that emerged more emboldened from the EDl milieu?
Did the EDl achieve anything, and what was their true aim in the first place?
Thunderfist
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately despite the earnest wishes of everyone on the left they haven't gone. They're in Birmingham on October 11th and will no doubt return to Rotherham and London. They are certainly smaller than they were but can still pull hundreds out.
One political lessons is that it is actually quite easy to whip up a far-right mob.
The leadership is a vexed question. Certainly Tinpot Tommy didn't assert himself as the leader until around the beginning of 2011. It was his seizure of the mantle that led to the first splinterings. The EDL do not have an internal structure as most leftists understand it and thus leadership went to whoever asserted it most loudly in the press. Tommy's depature for the Quillam foundation was probably a move to get a smaller sentence in the mortgage fraud trial that he knew was on the horizon at the time.
The UAF did consistently oppose them, often under very unpromising circumstances. The AFN have adopted a more cherry-picking approach, opposing as and when they felt a militant response was possible. Certainly the UAF presence at every EDL outing meant that both sides were generally kettled and the EDL were not able to wander about the streets to fraternise with locals and hand out leaflets. The implosion of the SWP has hurt the UAFs ability to mobilise the numbers.
One side effect of the EDLs presence has definitely been the emboldening of other, long thought defunct, groupings such as the NF to hold street protests. Last weekend in Dover an anti-immigrant rally by the South East Alliance (an EDL offshoot/splinter group) was attended by Kent National Front and Nick Griffin representing the BNP. They scuffled briefly with police over the main roundabout to the ferry terminal having marched unopposed through town.
What the EDL achieved is the consolidation of racist beliefs among a hard-core of followers. I don't think that there was any single 'true aim' from the start. One clever comparison with the EDL,made in the blog While Rome Burns, was with Reclaim the Streets. You didn't need to join a political belief system or sign up to a party for RTS, it was announced - you turned up and left (after the obligatory push and shove with the cops) feeling all tribal.
One political lessons is that it is actually quite easy to whip up a far-right mob.
The leadership is a vexed question. Certainly Tinpot Tommy didn't assert himself as the leader until around the beginning of 2011. It was his seizure of the mantle that led to the first splinterings. The EDL do not have an internal structure as most leftists understand it and thus leadership went to whoever asserted it most loudly in the press. Tommy's depature for the Quillam foundation was probably a move to get a smaller sentence in the mortgage fraud trial that he knew was on the horizon at the time.
The UAF did consistently oppose them, often under very unpromising circumstances. The AFN have adopted a more cherry-picking approach, opposing as and when they felt a militant response was possible. Certainly the UAF presence at every EDL outing meant that both sides were generally kettled and the EDL were not able to wander about the streets to fraternise with locals and hand out leaflets. The implosion of the SWP has hurt the UAFs ability to mobilise the numbers.
One side effect of the EDLs presence has definitely been the emboldening of other, long thought defunct, groupings such as the NF to hold street protests. Last weekend in Dover an anti-immigrant rally by the South East Alliance (an EDL offshoot/splinter group) was attended by Kent National Front and Nick Griffin representing the BNP. They scuffled briefly with police over the main roundabout to the ferry terminal having marched unopposed through town.
What the EDL achieved is the consolidation of racist beliefs among a hard-core of followers. I don't think that there was any single 'true aim' from the start. One clever comparison with the EDL,made in the blog While Rome Burns, was with Reclaim the Streets. You didn't need to join a political belief system or sign up to a party for RTS, it was announced - you turned up and left (after the obligatory push and shove with the cops) feeling all tribal.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think the 2011 claim is out by two years. He was identified as and accepted as leader and public face end of 2009 by my reckoning.
Thunderfist
Well-Known Member
butchersapron. The EDL had a variety of spokesmen between 2009-2010. Only from 2011 onwards did the Lennon/Carroll partnership predominate. I suppose my point is that they are capable of existing without Robinson, that his depature doesn't necessarily spell the end for ultra-nationalist street mobilisation.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
well that was a pleasant surprise and perhaps a starting point of maybe turning things around. NF and wannabes had a bout 50 or so in Newcastle today. Labour and that lot had a stop the war demo right before the nf one but then fucked off leaving a handful of young anarchists...who later teamed up with a handful of rcg and had a go at the nf! NF were joined by north east and north west infidels and some edl and were in old-school mode - white this, white that, send them back etc etc but the people in the crowd where i was were either disgusted or were laughing at them.
I don't remember 2009 but Lennon was definitely the dominant leader externally by 2010
hi all, yes, I am Arthur, EDL supporter that you banned around page 80.
Every so often you talk about EDL is finished, well no we are not, despite Tommy being brought to his knees by the state using dirty tactics to decapitate us, which by the way you should have been angry about because they will use those tactics against you.
But EDL continues because we are united, we told you that there were muslim rape gangs in every city and town across the UK and that it was being covered up, sadly, it has proved to be spot on but to try and expose these dreadful crimes meant we were some how fascist, racist etc etc.
Now the same applies to FGM, it is being covered up by the authorities because PC demands that they don't rock the multi-culti boat, so tens of thousands of little girls are being abused by Islam.
Why are you not demanding that action is taken?
There are hundreds of Shari'ah courts across the UK that treat women as less than a man, 2nd class, why are you not protesting this?
Many of you judge EDL on how we look that's pretty shameful in my view.
Yes you will of course ban me because I disagree with you.
Peace,
Arthur.
Every so often you talk about EDL is finished, well no we are not, despite Tommy being brought to his knees by the state using dirty tactics to decapitate us, which by the way you should have been angry about because they will use those tactics against you.
But EDL continues because we are united, we told you that there were muslim rape gangs in every city and town across the UK and that it was being covered up, sadly, it has proved to be spot on but to try and expose these dreadful crimes meant we were some how fascist, racist etc etc.
Now the same applies to FGM, it is being covered up by the authorities because PC demands that they don't rock the multi-culti boat, so tens of thousands of little girls are being abused by Islam.
Why are you not demanding that action is taken?
There are hundreds of Shari'ah courts across the UK that treat women as less than a man, 2nd class, why are you not protesting this?
Many of you judge EDL on how we look that's pretty shameful in my view.
Yes you will of course ban me because I disagree with you.
Peace,
Arthur.
We can't be every where at once, we often get emails from people who beg us to demonstrate in their town or city, because the authorities will not listen.
My family come from Rotherham, a once proud mining town destroyed by Thatcher and Wilson and then to add injury to insult, Blair allowed a third world ideology to rape and abuse our, working class kids.
In the next few months you will see more of these horror stories coming from our towns and cities, proof, I can only say what people tell us and I would rather believe them than a biased press or politicians.
Arthur.
My family come from Rotherham, a once proud mining town destroyed by Thatcher and Wilson and then to add injury to insult, Blair allowed a third world ideology to rape and abuse our, working class kids.
In the next few months you will see more of these horror stories coming from our towns and cities, proof, I can only say what people tell us and I would rather believe them than a biased press or politicians.
Arthur.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Nobody on this forum judges EDl on the way they look. Try reading the thread and you'll see how they criticize anyone who does that.
The aim of the EDL, as far as Im concerned, was to demonize and intimidate the entire muslim population on the pretext of opposing extremism. The EDl has possibly contributed to creating more extremism by snarling at normal people and making them feel abused.
The aim of the EDL, as far as Im concerned, was to demonize and intimidate the entire muslim population on the pretext of opposing extremism. The EDl has possibly contributed to creating more extremism by snarling at normal people and making them feel abused.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you must be furious. Abusing young girls is what you live for!
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