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I must be way of beam- I thought that most extremist muslims wanted a global caliphate?

Except those backed by the Saudi monarchy, who may well talk about the Umma (the abstract notion of global Islam) but certainly won't be doing anything to undermine the, er, Saudi nation-state.

And they're at least as dangerous, authoritarian, racist, etc as the Islamists. With whom they are effectively at war in several places.
 
Syria has to be the most confusing with who is on the side of who compared with who they generally disagree with. Someone needs to draw one of those handy flow charts that you see in the tabloids regarding which celeb shagged who.
 
No chance she can be reasoned with? No everyone who supports the BNP is necessarily an out and out racist or fascist. Although I suppose those that aren't are much fewer in number than a few years ago. :(
I'd ignore Delroy, he obviously had his own issues last night.
It's a long story but no not really. 3 years ago she started with the fascist post sharing on FB. And I mean all the tiny groups, the Infidels, the EVF, the ED, Britain First. And whenever I confronted her or her brother (who also shared their stuff but actually posted on the edl groups pages himself so I just gave up on him) she would say it was all a misunderstanding,, she didn't realise who they were, didn't share their extreme views etc. For 2 years I argued patiently with her over it then it came to a head after Lee Rigby when she was sharing the openly racist repatriate them all now shit. Eventually she calmed down enough to sort of apologise to a young woman friend of mine who is Muslim and had had abuse after Rigby's death. Nobody should be abused just because of their religion she told her. Then 7 days later she was sharing Britain First stuff again about the Burkha! So I told her then I couldn't stomach it anymore and defriended her. Minor action as that sounds it caused ructions in the family and my mrs had to act as go between for months

It all came to a head again last week when I saw through my son's FB page that she was back to sharing BF stuff. And to make it worse was accompanying it with comments like "Patriotism is NO CRIME" (the caps are her's not mine, she shouts, a lot) That was St George's Day. I said I didn't want my son exposed to criminals like BF through his auntie and it all went ballistic from there. She took great offence at me suggesting she was exposing her nephew to criminals (I might also have said child abusers, I wasn't pulling any punches). Her answer on Friday was to go for the full bnp angle. Oddly she seems to think saying bnp is worse than saying BF. Then on Saturday she was back to it was all a mistake line and she'd never knowingly support the bnp. Which would have been more convincing if she didn't 24 hours later stick another BF post under my son's nose.Any way I declared myself a nazi appeaser free zone on Saturday, banned her from my house while I'm at home. Mrs BB is totally fine with me on that and thinks her sister is making a mistake, but obviously she's still her sister and she won't be cutting her off. The trick now is for me to avoid inflaming the family row even more without backing down.

To make matters worse I've seen three other friends of mine with what I thought were robust Tory views but no worse, share BF stuff this last week. Short of defriending them all I've opted for the "come on guys, these pricks upset Rigby's family with their antics in the elections in Wales" line which is having mixed results convincing them to pack the nazi posts in. It's like a fucking epidemic.
 
It's a long story but no not really. 3 years ago she started with the fascist post sharing on FB. And I mean all the tiny groups, the Infidels, the EVF, the ED, Britain First. And whenever I confronted her or her brother (who also shared their stuff but actually posted on the edl groups pages himself so I just gave up on him) she would say it was all a misunderstanding,, she didn't realise who they were, didn't share their extreme views etc. For 2 years I argued patiently with her over it then it came to a head after Lee Rigby when she was sharing the openly racist repatriate them all now shit. Eventually she calmed down enough to sort of apologise to a young woman friend of mine who is Muslim and had had abuse after Rigby's death. Nobody should be abused just because of their religion she told her. Then 7 days later she was sharing Britain First stuff again about the Burkha! So I told her then I couldn't stomach it anymore and defriended her. Minor action as that sounds it caused ructions in the family and my mrs had to act as go between for months

It all came to a head again last week when I saw through my son's FB page that she was back to sharing BF stuff. And to make it worse was accompanying it with comments like "Patriotism is NO CRIME" (the caps are her's not mine, she shouts, a lot) That was St George's Day. I said I didn't want my son exposed to criminals like BF through his auntie and it all went ballistic from there. She took great offence at me suggesting she was exposing her nephew to criminals (I might also have said child abusers, I wasn't pulling any punches). Her answer on Friday was to go for the full bnp angle. Oddly she seems to think saying bnp is worse than saying BF. Then on Saturday she was back to it was all a mistake line and she'd never knowingly support the bnp. Which would have been more convincing if she didn't 24 hours later stick another BF post under my son's nose.Any way I declared myself a nazi appeaser free zone on Saturday, banned her from my house while I'm at home. Mrs BB is totally fine with me on that and thinks her sister is making a mistake, but obviously she's still her sister and she won't be cutting her off. The trick now is for me to avoid inflaming the family row even more without backing down.

To make matters worse I've seen three other friends of mine with what I thought were robust Tory views but no worse, share BF stuff this last week. Short of defriending them all I've opted for the "come on guys, these pricks upset Rigby's family with their antics in the elections in Wales" line which is having mixed results convincing them to pack the nazi posts in. It's like a fucking epidemic.
Sounds pretty crap any which way :(

I don't think any have any family or friends that would be sucked in by that shit. But your story makes me glad I don't do Fb nonetheless.
 
out of curiosity, wtf happened to tommy robinson? is he still in prison/or working with Quilliam foundation? and what happened to the other guy, the Sikh EDL guy Guramit Singh?
 
robinson is in jail for the next 6 months at least and a lot of his former comrade distrust him. guramit got 6 years for armed robbery after 'going on the lam' for a wee while.
 
BNP twitter has been hacked but it doesn't look like they've realised yet.
You seen the new (and banned) BNP election video?

It's creepy as fuck.

I'm curious to know who the vox-pops are at the end too. One appears to be a soldier, and one a vicar...
 
Sounds pretty crap any which way :(

I don't think any have any family or friends that would be sucked in by that shit. But your story makes me glad I don't do Fb nonetheless.

apart from the half a dozen 'serious' politicals and my closest pals on my FB list, i would say almost everyone else, if asked, would be in favour of those BF style opinions. Vast majority of my family* would too. I don't really see any political stuff from those people very often but if the odd post does get made it's always some EDL/BF/BNP/NF re-post. Depressing but it keeps me in check - I know some people who are ONLY friends with other lefty/anarchos and their impression of the world around them is seriously skewed. It's the same at work, the non-racist, non-benefit blamers are in a tiny tiny minority of about 2%. and people wonder why i'm always miserable-looking haha.

*not my wife and kids though.
 
apart from the half a dozen 'serious' politicals and my closest pals on my FB list, i would say almost everyone else, if asked, would be in favour of those BF style opinions. Vast majority of my family* would too. I don't really see any political stuff from those people very often but if the odd post does get made it's always some EDL/BF/BNP/NF re-post. Depressing but it keeps me in check - I know some people who are ONLY friends with other lefty/anarchos and their impression of the world around them is seriously skewed. It's the same at work, the non-racist, non-benefit blamers are in a tiny tiny minority of about 2%. and people wonder why i'm always miserable-looking haha.

*not my wife and kids though.
I've had plenty of friends/acquaintances that would fit that in the past, but none that I know of now. Not through any deliberate split over political differences or anything, just the way life's turned out. One of my exes was part of a very right wing, EDL-type social group on the old Devonport estate before it was demolished, and the conversations we all had together will always stay in my memory. I was pretty naive at the time and I learnt a lot from them tbh. I hope I managed to bust a few myths in return, and maybe even convince a couple to redirect their anger.

I've plenty that are more mainstream right though - eg think that austerity is unfortunate but necessary and so on. I expect some of my family have voted tory in the past. Most of them get their information solely from the mainstream press so some probably will again.

I think that kind of thing is easier to challenge without causing family (or social group) schisms than something like racism though. I'm not sure how I'd handle that - probably not well tbh, and I doubt it would end well for anyone.
 
who's the new twat in the edl, i mean the new leader tiny Tim Ablitt. whats his story? does he have a far right background, football hooligan?
 
You seen the new (and banned) BNP election video?
It's creepy as fuck.
I'm curious to know who the vox-pops are at the end too. One appears to be a soldier, and one a vicar...

I saw the election broadcast and I think the 'vicar' was their fake vicar Robert West, but with a beard.
Robert West was a Tory councillor in Lincolnshire, but was suspended from the Conservative Party in 2006 for addressing a BNP meeting. He claims to be entitled to be called 'Reverend' as he is an 'Ordained Elder' of the non-existant 'Apostolic Church of Wales'. The real Apostolic Church in the United Kingdom denies all knowledge of him. He was a BNP East Midlands MEP candidate in the 2009 European elections.
 
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who's the new twat in the edl, i mean the new leader tiny Tim Ablitt. whats his story? does he have a far right background, football hooligan?

he's pretty much no one. he was arrested over a mosque arson attempt but it fell through. the EDL hoody money and 'legal fees' were 'resting in his account. when mr tommy and KKKev jacked it in there was only Hel Gower and a few other ROs. Albitt was the only sad case to go for a toxic position with an ailing org.
 
he's pretty much no one. he was arrested over a mosque arson attempt but it fell through. the EDL hoody money and 'legal fees' were 'resting in his account. when mr tommy and KKKev jacked it in there was only Hel Gower and a few other ROs. Albitt was the only sad case to go for a toxic position with an ailing org.
The money claims - what have you to support them? If you have some, why haven't you published it?
 
read again britches undone! ablitt was in charge of merchandise money. the money for legal fees, walky talkies etc is unaccounted for. robinsons account was frozen due to legal difficulty. ablitt has the acount. this is getting pretty shit now.
 
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