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[Pickman's model]

No chance she can be reasoned with? No everyone who supports the BNP is necessarily an out and out racist or fascist. Although I suppose those that aren't are much fewer in number than a few years ago.
I'd ignore Delroy, he obviously had his own issues last night.

seems bb's notion of reasoning with her was threstening to bottle her. this cogent argument might not have worked.

 

[emanymton]

seems bb's notion of reasoning with her was threstening to bottle her. this cogent argument might not have worked.

Well I was hoping he might of calmed down a bit. Although he might have lost any possibility of reasoned argument at that point, but to be fair my first response would probably have been about as polite.

 

[redcogs]

I find it a bit odd that an swp person could marry a Conservative supporter and not expect a degree of turbulent weather. Is that really what's happened here?

On the BNP enthusiastic sister in law - i had to dump an aunty of mine for the lesser offence of being a casual but insistent racist who couldn't learn how to keep her views internal in my company. She was asked to leave our house 20 years ago, and there has been no contact since, nor will there be. So, i understand the BB reaction.

 

[Thunderfist]

With the March for England about to descend on Brighton SchNEWS have produced a field guide to the far-right

http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/FIELD-GUIDE-TO-THE-FAR-RIGHT/

 

[Idris2002]

what happens if the bastards demand the right to home school?

Hopefully this won't derail the thread, but I'll just pop in to mention that here in the land of Deutsch, homeschooling is illegal, specifically so that the far right won't be able to groom their kids to put on the brown shirt.

As for your point about not meeting normal homeschooled people, this American blog contains some pretty tragic tales of damage:

http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/

 

[Citizen66]

i dont give a fuck.

Well given that Islamism is Nationalist in outlook you fucking should.

 

[laptop]

Islamism is Nationalist in outlook

What on earth are you on (about)?

 

[Citizen66]

What on earth are you on (about)?

That Islamism shares similarities with Nationalism. Swap non-believer for non-white etc etc.

 

[laptop]

That Islamism shares similarities with Nationalism. Swap non-believer for non-white etc etc.

Chauvinist, yes.

Militantly anti-nationalist, though.

Hamas were thrown out of the Muslim Brotherhood for taking a nationalist line, for example.

 

[Citizen66]

Chauvinist, yes.

Militantly anti-nationalist, though.

Hamas were thrown out of the Muslim Brotherhood for taking a nationalist line, for example.

Okay, it's a leap, but I mean taking 'Islam' as being the nation, rather than an actual nation, as the basis of the 'nationalism'.

 

[Citizen66]

Politics of identity.

 

[laptop]

Okay, it's a leap, but I mean taking 'Islam' as being the nation, rather than an actual nation, as the basis of the 'nationalism'.

It's not just a leap, it's turning everything on its head - unless you're just using "nationalist" as a term of abuse, which is to deprive the word of all meaning and render conversation beige*.


* Here "beige" means whatever I pay it to mean, and I'm not telling.

 

[Citizen66]

It's not just a leap, it's turning everything on its head - unless you're just using "nationalist" as a term of abuse, which is to deprive the word of all meaning and render conversation beige*.


* Here "beige" means whatever I pay it to mean, and I'm not telling.

But the two are based upon identity. One being national/cultural and the other being religious/cultural. And an extreme view of people who fall outside of that identity. They're definitely on the fascist spectrum imo.

 

[laptop]

So you are just using words as wooly terms of abuse.

The whole point of Islamism is opposition to the very concept of nation-states.

That distinguishes it from other Islamic movements.

 

[Citizen66]

So you are just using words as wooly terms of abuse.

The whole point of Islamism is opposition to the very concept of nation-states.

That distinguishes it from other Islamic movements.

So being against the concept of nation states and sharing attributes with nationalists such as the BNP is mutually exclusive?

 

[barney_pig]

Islamism is an ultra authoritarian, irrationalist, anti democratic, misogynistic, range of movements. There are many reasons why anti fascists should give a fuck about it, but nationalism isn't one of them.

 

[Citizen66]

Maybe it isn't racist to hate jews on the grounds of Islamism then.

There pretty anti homosexual too. It ticks plenty of boxes from where I'm sitting.

 

[barney_pig]

Islamist hatred of Jews is undoubtedly racist. The bigotry of Islamism has many parallels with the bigotry of fascism, included pathological hatred of socialism. Just without the nationalism

 

[barney_pig]

Though that's not entirely true either, they believe in a pan national khalifa, a unified state of all believers under Godly law.

 

[Citizen66]

Islamist hatred of Jews is undoubtedly racist. The bigotry of Islamism has many parallels with the bigotry of fascism, included pathological hatred of socialism. Just without the nationalism

If you read back, I said they had a nationalist outlook or 'shared attributes' rather than calling them actual nationalists. Anyway, as you say it's enough for a supposed anti fascist to question sharing a platform with.

 

[Citizen66]

Though that's not entirely true either, they believe in a pan national khalifa, a unified state of all believers under Godly law.

Which was Hitler wanted for Europe replacing the religious element with a racial one was it not?

 

[barney_pig]

Which was Hitler wanted for Europe replacing the religious element with a racial one was it not?

Some of his henchmen did, and it remains a important strand in euro fascist ideology, but hitler had no truck with anything which might challenge german hegemony.

 

[malatesta32]

Well given that Islamism is Nationalist in outlook you fucking should.

check twitter
#penis.

 

[barney_pig]

Is this the way it's going to be now maletesta? Anyone pulls you on your content free links or offensive bollocks and you reply with abuse?

 

[treelover]

He has had an easy ride on here, a lack of scrutiny, much more than anyone else.

 

[weepiper]

With the March for England about to descend on Brighton SchNEWS have produced a field guide to the far-right

http://www.schnews.org.uk/stories/FIELD-GUIDE-TO-THE-FAR-RIGHT/

Sneery public school shit. Embarrassing.

 

[gamerunknown]

I've never met a normal home schooled kid.

I was briefly homeschooled (in transition between two secondary schools). I know, more evidence against the practice - but there are good reasons to oppose limiting home schooling. The most obvious is that the state is not a neutral arbiter. Any possibilities for perpetuating capitalism will be utilised, including through the curricula. Another minor point is that it limited opportunities for altering relations to education - when a failing school was shut down in the 70s, the parents occupied it and ran it cooperatively for several years before receiving council funding. Such provisions would exclude Dalton schools and the Cooper Union.

 

[malatesta32]

yes the islamists all want to live in islam. it is a global, proseltysing form of religion and nationalism is antithetical to that.

 

[malatesta32]

Is this the way it's going to be now maletesta? Anyone pulls you on your content free links or offensive bollocks and you reply with abuse?

go away fuckbugle.

 

[DotCommunist]

I must be way of beam- I thought that most extremist muslims wanted a global caliphate?

goddamit my shits uncoordinated today