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[ddraig]

relevance?

 

[Pickman's model]

He's a homo if I ever saw one......

i don't think you can call a man a homo simply because he's in uniform.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Latest observations (appologise for erratic postings - am using libraries internet) : 'Hope for Heroes' stickers appearing in local buses and sporadic EDL graffiti appearing. Romford is a traditional rascist/fash area (NF - BNP etc). Not trying to sound 'hard' but believe my way forward in this situation is working solo (identifying any fash pubs) and researching guerrila tactics.

I heard there's a pub in Epsom they used to like hanging out in

 

[SpineyNorman]

Latest observations (appologise for erratic postings - am using libraries internet) : 'Hope for Heroes' stickers appearing in local buses and sporadic EDL graffiti appearing. Romford is a traditional rascist/fash area (NF - BNP etc). Not trying to sound 'hard' but believe my way forward in this situation is working solo (identifying any fash pubs) and researching guerrila tactics.

If you're thinking along those lines (and I'd personally advise against it - the solo guerilla part, not the intelligence gathering which is always worthwhile - but it's your call) my advice would be to not post about it on the internet.

Stay safe.

 

[Pickman's model]

Latest observations (appologise for erratic postings - am using libraries internet) : 'Hope for Heroes' stickers appearing in local buses and sporadic EDL graffiti appearing. Romford is a traditional rascist/fash area (NF - BNP etc). Not trying to sound 'hard' but believe my way forward in this situation is working solo (identifying any fash pubs) and researching guerrila tactics.

guerrilla tactics traditionally involve more than one person, see eg che guevara's 'guerrilla warfare', carlos marighela's 'minimanual of the urban guerrilla' or mao tse-tung's 'on guerrilla warfare'.

http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/survival/Guevara, Che - Guerrilla Warfare.pdf
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marighella-carlos/1969/06/minimanual-urban-guerrilla/
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/FMFRP 12-18 Mao Tse-tung on Guerrilla Warfare.pdf

 

[Ranbay]

EDL on the wall.

 

[Pickman's model]

EDL on the wall.

the red arrow pointing to it should have been a clew this may not be all it appeared

 

[Buckaroo]

the red arrow pointing to it should have been a clew this may not be all it appeared

Red Arrow fly past for the diamond coronation fuck up.

 

[Ranbay]

the red arrow pointing to it should have been a clew this may not be all it appeared

Check the photo on the daily hate site thingy... that's where this is lifted from. with added arrow.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[The39thStep]

Was there anything he was saying that you take issue with? I'm only asking because i tend to find your analysis sound. If its just a personal thing then fair enough.I don't know either of you well enough to judge.

The thing that irritates me ( and sometimes it doesn't take much) is that posturing on you tube. I don't know if you remember his May day speeches at Speakers Corner a few years ago, its all hurrah hurrah just isn't the same as doing that hard graft in communities and actually building something.

 

[Citizen66]

The thing that irritates me ( and sometimes it doesn't take much) is that posturing on you tube. I don't know if you remember his May day speeches at Speakers Corner a few years ago, its all hurrah hurrah just isn't the same as doing that hard graft in communities and actually building something.

How do you know he isn't doing that too? And furthermore, are you?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Lennon was due to be interviewed on Daybreak this morning - a BBC reward for extremism that the Daily Blackshirt would no doubt have given as much criticism to as they did when that "muslim" twat was smirking about the Woolwich murder on Newsnight.

The interview was pulled late last night. Reason: "Lawyers".

 

[The39thStep]

How do you know he isn't doing that too? And furthermore, are you?

He isn't. I try to.

 

[The39thStep]

What right minded EDL supporter would want to graffiti EDL when being involved in an arson attack?

 

[cesare]

What right minded EDL supporter would want to graffiti EDL when being involved in an arson attack?

Clumsy innit.

 

[andysays]

What right minded EDL supporter would want to graffiti EDL when being involved in an arson attack?

Hypothetical EDL supporter involved in an arson attack described as right minded?!?

Maybe, at the very least, you'd like to rephrase that one

 

[The39thStep]

Hypothetical EDL supporter involved in an arson attack described as right minded?!?

Maybe, at the very least, you'd like to rephrase that one

Happy with the original thanks

 

[andysays]

Happy with the original thanks

Your choice, obvs. I'll respond with a question of my own:

What right-minded person would carry out an arson attack on a community centre in the first place?​

Arguments over right-mindedness aside, I think it's at least possible that this graffiti is genuine, and has been deliberately left to let everyone know who did this.

 

[The39thStep]

Your choice, obvs. I'll respond with a question of my own:

What right-minded person would carry out an arson attack on a community centre in the first place?​

Arguments over right-mindedness aside, I think it's at least possible that this graffiti is genuine, and has been deliberately left to let everyone know who did this.

History is full of arson attacks to terrorize a community.The NSM in the 60s did so with synagogues in London. Don't agree with it but can understand what they are trying to do.

The thing is though why graffiti EDL when all it will do is put them under media, state and community suspicion? They could have graffitied something anti muslim but why put put an EDL claim on it? I don't rule out that it could be genuine but i am a little suspicious.

 

[andysays]

History is full of arson attacks to terrorize a community.The NSM in the 60s did so with synagogues in London. Don't agree with it but can understand what they are trying to do.

The thing is though why graffiti EDL when all it will do is put them under media, state and community suspicion? They could have graffitied something anti muslim but why put put an EDL claim on it? I don't rule out that it could be genuine but i am a little suspicious.

So who else do you suggest is likely to have done it?

Whether or not this is an arson attack officially authorised by the EDL, it does seem highly plausible (to me) that it has been carried out by supporters or those inspired by the EDL.

 

[albionism]

The graffiti could well have been there for some time.

 

[albionism]

So who else do you suggest is likely to have done it?

Whether or not this is an arson attack officially authorised by the EDL, it does seem highly plausible (to me) that it has been carried out by supporters or those inspired by the EDL.

Aye, growing up in east London in the late 70s early 80s,
my estate was absolutely covered in swastikas
and the ubiquitous "NF" letters. None of it scrawled
on the walls by actual NF members but by 10, 11 year old kids.

 

[Tom A]

Loving those quotes. Nice one. *thumbs*

Are they from memory, or from a particular place? I only ask because my memory's shit for things like that, and it would be handy to bookmark them for future reference.

They came from here, after trying to put the right words into Google: http://www.socialistrevolution.org/ideas/the-fight-against-fascism/where-does-fascism-come-from/

 

[andysays]

The graffiti could well have been there for some time.

I agree that the graffiti could have been there for some time, and may have nothing to do with the arson attack.

That still leaves the question of who carried out the attack, if they weren't either supporters of or inspired by the EDL or similar...

 

[ddraig]

What right minded EDL supporter would want to graffiti EDL when being involved in an arson attack?

someone who is sooo 'worked up' and such a 'patriot' with a 'vengance' and sick 'righteous anger' about 'sorting them out' and possible 'claim to fame' that the other implications wouldn't 'figure' perhaps?

 

[albionism]

I agree that the graffiti could have been there for some time, and may have nothing to do with the arson attack.

That still leaves the question of who carried out the attack, if they weren't either supporters of or inspired by the EDL or similar...

Yeah, arsonists most probably were some kind of Fash.

 

[Dogsauce]

Aye, growing up in east London in the late 70s early 80s,
my estate was absolutely covered in swastikas
and the ubiquitous "NF" letters. None of it scrawled
on the walls by actual NF members but by 10, 11 year old kids.
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Same where I grew up - often with the CND peace symbol in the same hand next to it.

EDL just haven't got themselves a decent logo yet. Fucking amateur fascists.

 

[andysays]

I agree that the graffiti could have been there for some time, and may have nothing to do with the arson attack

Although according to local sources...

Sorry - think this was me misreading the BBC article which I think meant two people had been charged for the Rigby attack. Not the best wording.

"the centre's leaders had told him they had seen freshly sprayed graffiti on the building and they were concerned the fire was in reaction to the killing of a soldier in Woolwich. Two men have been charged in connection with the attack. "

(taken from Al-Rahma thread)

 

[cantsin]

History is full of arson attacks to terrorize a community.The NSM in the 60s did so with synagogues in London. Don't agree with it but can understand what they are trying to do.

The thing is though why graffiti EDL when all it will do is put them under media, state and community suspicion? They could have graffitied something anti muslim but why put put an EDL claim on it? I don't rule out that it could be genuine but i am a little suspicious.

I'm guessing you're aware EDL hasn't got a formal membership structure ? If someone is up for fireboming a Mosque, and then leaving an EDl calling card, they're fucking EDL, in heart and mind. Whats your problem with that?