EDL watch

[treelover]

The creator of a far right extremist group that has promised to ‘arrest’ Islamist cleric Anjem Choudary by 6pm tomorrow if the Met police do not is a Belfast-based anti-abortion militant with close links to paramilitary groups.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-islamist-cleric-anjem-choudary-8634812.html

Pity Tatchell doesn't do it

 

[treelover]

I think he's asking if you're fash.

too much of this shite on here...

 

[ibilly99]

I think he's asking if you're fash.

I think you've completely misunderstood what he was saying audiotech - he's criticising people who print/pose for those kinds of images because they help the EDL present themselves as only anti-extremists, rather than out and out racists/islamophobes. He's not saying that he actually thinks they're only against extremism.

Not sure where the stuff in your post about the state tolerating/not tolerating extremism comes from though

Thanks Spiney for clearly setting out what I meant - never been called a fascist before in my life - in my youth spent two active years in SWP / ANL and helped set up SUSAN - Surrey University Against the Nazis. Retired from active politics now but firmly mentally and attitudinally on the left. Yes TS loves to generate confusing messages to muddy the waters that he's and ou and out hate 'em all racist such as this ....http://englishdefenceleague.org/edl-news-2/1927-edl-hate-all-muslims-apparently

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

People who think the EDL are respectable or near respectable are just not abreast of the facts in any meaningful way. People not being abreast of the facts in any meaningful way is typical enough, it's hardly exclusive to matters of extremism.

A photo of Mo Ansar and Lennon together doesn't demonstrate much. It's pretty clear from reading MA's stuff that he thinks Lennon is a lunatic. That's because MA has a functioning cerebrum.

 

[machine cat]

Personally there aren't any Muslims where I live so it really doesn't effect me on a community level. I know a few Muslim people and they're friendly to me.

I would hate to live in Luton or Bradford or any of these other areas where you get a large Muslim population. I'm not sure if that's prejudiced or not but that's just how I feel. A good friend of mine lives in Bethnal Green and I feel uneasy just being there.

I understand why people are frightened of Islamic extremism. I hear about grooming gangs and the way in which towns get changed due to demographics and I would not like it if a large amount of Muslim people came to my town.

This is just my unbiased opinion as somebody who isn't involved in any of this stuff. I understand why people are scared and join the EDL.

I live in an area with a large Muslim population and two mosques within a hundred metre radius of my house, and feel completely at home here. I don't feel scared, I don't feel uneasy, and I don't give a fuck about the amount of Muslim people who live here. It's home.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

ffs...
I'm so getting flashbacks as how the man in black was able to divert attention from the goal yesterday..
well done Oswald....
this thread just got kettled

 

[audiotech]

Sorry don't understand your question - one what ?

Your avatar suggests you have Buddhist leanings. Really? Dalai Lamas, a pretty ruthless bunch. Apparently, the first one killed his own son. The fifth had all rivals destroyed to preserve his own power. The 13th was very unlucky, specifically for the Ambans and Chinese, as he expelled all of them from Tibet after declaring independence. The 14th and present Dalai Lama fled Tibet fearing for his life in the wake of the revolt that took place there in 1959 and has led a government in exile from India ever since.

 

[ibilly99]

Not sure that there is any need to pander - what is needed is some social or political interaction, some basis for discovering and acting on each others politics without shouting nazi or you're not english anymore at each other. Taking part in the ongoing violent polarisation just pushes any possibility of that taking place further away. None of this means that you have to take a soft line or pander, it means that our views can only be recognised as legitimate through meaningful interaction however much they are rejected. I saw the shocked looks on the people opposing the edl down here on saturday and the anger on the other side - the real gulf between them was utterly demoralising - and in the longer term, damaging to everyone.

I made a point of talking to two lads in evf hoodies and asking them what was going on, they were so angry against 'rich students' and insisted over half an hour or so that they totally and utterly rejected racism (that doesn't mean that i bought it, just that they are aware that racism is not politically acceptable) - we were getting somewhere when an older bloke spotted what was going on and picked a fight with me in order to make them choose between standing with him or having dialogue with me, he spotted the danger of what was going on. I know that's a tiny and maybe not representative example but fuck me, something needs to happen on this ground before its too late.

Some of the wisest words I've ever read on here.

 

[cantsin]

I live in an area with a large Muslim population and two mosques within a hundred metre radius of my house, and feel completely at home here. I don't feel scared, I don't feel uneasy, and I don't give a fuck about the amount of Muslim people who live here. It's home.

old Oswald here has to be a special kind of div to feel 'uneasy' in Bethnal Green, unless blokes in NHS specs with quiffs and pop up art galleries is spooking him.

 

[machine cat]

old Oswald here has to be a special kind of div to feel 'uneasy' in Bethnal Green, unless blokes in NHS specs with quiffs and pop up art galleries is spooking him.

I have never been to Bethnal Green so I can't comment, but as I live in a northern town, I assume the population of my community to be much small than a London District. Nevertheless, I might be part of a racial minority here, but never feel uncomfortable.

 

[audiotech]

too much of this shite on here...

And bullshit too. The poster stated this:

And this sort of thing sends out a strong media message from the EDL

It was a fair question given the quote and despite the posters protestations I still haven't called him a fascist. I'm enquiring if he has Buddhist leanings.

 

[killer b]

you got the wrong end of the stick audiotech. stop being a dick.

 

[sim667]

english volunteer force iirc

NO SHARIA LAW IN THE UK EVER!
INSTANT HALT TO ALL IMMIGRATION!

NO MORE CONSTRUCTION OF MOSQUES!

OUTRIGHT BAN ON HALAL MEAT!

HANG ALL CONVICTED PEADOPHILES!

PRESERVATION OF ENGLISH/BRITISH CULTURE!

DESTRUCTION OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

EXPOSURE OF TWO-TIER JUSTICE SYSTEM!

FULL SUPPORT OF BRITISH ULSTER!

END THE FUNDING OF ANARCHIST GROUPS BY POLITICAL PARTIES!

AN END OF ANTI-ENGLISH PERSECUTION!

Sound like a lovely lot.

Spelt paedophile wrong too.

 

[audiotech]

Ohm.....

 

[DrRingDing]

I think this boils down to how people see community cohesion etc. Being a white person from a largely white town, it's easy to recognise that the normalcy a white person would anticipate in their environment and the shock when it's not there. It's further compounded because cities, where most migrants live, tend to breed the worst in people. Gangs, mental illnesses, homelessness etc.

There's a few things in that I'd like to question.

I went straight from living in a very white place all my life to Bethnal Green.....and I don't think cities "tend to breed the worst in people".

 

[ibilly99]

Your avatar suggests you have Buddhist leanings. Really? Dalai Lamas, a pretty ruthless bunch. Apparently, the first one killed his own son. The fifth had all rivals destroyed to preserve his own power. The 13th was very unlucky, specifically for the Ambans and Chinese, as he expelled all of them from Tibet after declaring independence. The 14th and present Dalai Lama fled Tibet fearing for his life in the wake of the revolt that took place there in 1959 and has led a government in exile from India ever since.

Well thanks for getting inside my mind audiotech - I have Buddhist leanings yes but that doesn't mean I support or have truck with the many institutional and historical emebellishments that have occurred over the centuries since the Buddha. Dalai Lama's in the past were probably no better than popes or other institutional religious leaders. What I can say for certain is no true Buddhist (as opposed to some cultural state Buddhist hierarchies) would have any truck with fascism or racism and nor do I.

When I was younger I'm sad to say I got a kick out of going out on demos looking for a ruck - Lewisham - NF , Southall - NF- Blair Peach , Poll Tax Riots et al we wanted to engage with the enemy and clear the fascists off the streets. I'm not sure that we helped increase the peace or improved the communities where we engaged 'with the enemy' - but what was true was that the adrenalin surge and sense of excitement was palpable and we all visibly got off on it. I will never forget the Poll Tax Riots in Trafalgar Square when me and a few comrades went for a bite to eat and returned to see the portakabins on the side of Northumberland Avenue on fire - fire on the South African Embassy and stuff from the portakabins such as fire extinquishers raining down on the police. I was just yards away from a scaffolding pole being thrust through a police car window. I realised then that mob rule could lead to people dying yet we were high as a kites on the excitement. Not a good mix. Which is why I found Spiney's post of constructive engagement so inspiring.

The atmosphere is getting quite ugly now you only have to listen to LBC to see the virulent views being aired and being given air time. It would only take a few more copycat attacks for things to really kick off. What's needed now is cooler hearts and a move back to the tolerant country that the UK is. Most British muslims along with most British 'whatever they are' just want to get on with each other and get on with life. It must be pretty difficult being a visibly muslim person at the moment with accusatory stares, attacks on mosques and the like.

Peace and love and all that .....

 

[Anudder Oik]

The Britain first (BF for short, wonder what they were thinking of with those initials?) statement that they will arrest Choudary is histerical. I can't wait. Maybe they think he is Bin Laden or something and not just a tool.

Can they deliver? Because if they don't they will be instantly forgotten.

Lots of freaks crawling out of the woodwork since last week.

 

[Citizen66]

old Oswald here has to be a special kind of div to feel 'uneasy' in Bethnal Green, unless blokes in NHS specs with quiffs and pop up art galleries is spooking him.

Exactly. And quite uncoincidentally, I'm sure, the only political extremism ever to haunt Bethnal Green has been of the Oswald Mosely variety!

 

[audiotech]

I think he's asking if you're fash.

I think you've completely misunderstood what he was saying audiotech - he's criticising people who print/pose for those kinds of images because they help the EDL present themselves as only anti-extremists, rather than out and out racists/islamophobes. He's not saying that he actually thinks they're only against extremism.

Not sure where the stuff in your post about the state tolerating/not tolerating extremism comes from though

Probably from a copy of 'Hope not Hate' magazine I've read in the past.

 

[ibilly99]

Your avatar suggests you have Buddhist leanings. Really? Dalai Lamas, a pretty ruthless bunch. Apparently, the first one killed his own son. The fifth had all rivals destroyed to preserve his own power. The 13th was very unlucky, specifically for the Ambans and Chinese, as he expelled all of them from Tibet after declaring independence. The 14th and present Dalai Lama fled Tibet fearing for his life in the wake of the revolt that took place there in 1959 and has led a government in exile from India ever since.

Plus that's the equivalent of saying you a commie then - what about your Stalin ....

 

[audiotech]

Ohm....

Edit: And Stalin killed more German Communists than Hitler ever did. Great commie that Stalin. An old Hungarian acquaintance had a shirt with a picture of Stalin stencilled on it and a swastika too. The symbolism wasn't lost.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

in my youth spent two active years in SWP / ANL and helped set up SUSAN - Surrey University Against the Nazis.

Are you anti fash? "yes mate SUSAN (Surrey University Against the Nazis)".

 

[cesare]

I bet it turns out you both know each other from way back

 

[Citizen66]

SUSAN re-enactmant society.

 

[ibilly99]

Are you anti fash? "yes mate SUSAN (Surrey University Against the Nazis)".

A rather contrived acronym Surrey UniverSity Against the Nazis - Colin Tipton was our political guru - just googled him and sad to say he died this year.

And by the way audiotech it's Omm not Ohm which is a unit of electrical measurement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2013/feb/01/colin-tipton-obituary

 

[Anudder Oik]

Comedy Gold.

Britan first: Dealine 6.p.m. Tomorrow. Countdown in motion, only 19 hours left until Choudary's arrest

If that deadline comes and passes, then I and me and a team of Britain first activists will go and arrest that bastard cos we know where he lives, we know where he frequents, we've got all the research behind us

Videos had 10,000 views already.

!

 

[audiotech]

I was around in '77 and through to 1990 ibilly99 and I'm happy to report neither me, nor any of the people I was active with, even when it got physical, "got off" on the violence. Ohm....

 

[ibilly99]

Comedy Gold.

Britan first: Dealine 6.p.m. Tomorrow. Countdown in motion, only 19 hours left until Choudary's arrest



Videos had 10,000 views already.

!

Even Littlejohn at the Mail beleives he's an MI5 asset

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...LITTLEJOHN-When-said-fight-beaches-Dave-.html
What kind of work is he out of? OK, so you wouldn’t want him driving a forklift in a fertiliser factory. But he does, allegedly, have a law degree. So a little light conveyancing shouldn’t be beyond him.
I remain convinced that the only way he has got away with it for so long is because he’s a fully paid-up MI5 agent, like his mate Abu Qatada. What other explanation is there

 

[ibilly99]

I was around in '77 and through to 1990 ibilly99 and I'm happy to report neither me, nor any of the people I was active with, even when it got physical, "got off" on the violence. Ohm....

Probably more accurate to say their was an adrenalin charged atmosphere which was not conducive to constructive debate and could potentially lead to violence.
Omm

Lewisham 1977

 

[sim667]

Comedy Gold.

Britan first: Dealine 6.p.m. Tomorrow. Countdown in motion, only 19 hours left until Choudary's arrest



Videos had 10,000 views already.

!

Did that start with the music from Jurassic park?