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taffboy gwyrdd said:
Only one anti fash has said it's shit outright. A rather grumpy urbanite. Can anyone guess who?
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Because, funny or not, it attacks what you assume to be their intelligence rather than their politics.

It's like those wartime songs. Hitler has only got one ball. That won us the war against the far right that did. And nobody was ever on the far right in England ever again.
 
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Citizen66 said:
Because, funny or not, it attacks what you assume to be their intelligence rather than their politics.

It's like those wartime songs. Hitler has only got one ball. That won us the war against the far right that did. And nobody was ever on the far right in England ever again.
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It happens to attack quite a lot of the double standards, warped logic, baseless hatred and paranoia which underpin in the politics as well as being expressed through them.

I suspect a lot of critics jump to a conclusion after a paragraph or two and don't bother any further, which is fine in itself but a not a solid basis to criticise.

People say that it derides intelligence, in fact the spelling and vocabulary tend to be of greater quality than that of the average EDLer I have experienced. I looked through it again last night - vast amounts of words are correctly spelled. There is a structure to each item that one rarely sees in patriot tracts.

The syntax and grammar are pretty garbled, but again not massively disproportionate to the target.

As discussed ad naus. previously: I honestly do not judge a person by literacy standards.

But the very low standards in national language use from so many nationalists is as reprehensible in hypocrisy as it is laughable.

Some EDL sympathisers use to have an excuse, before their true nature became obvious and when people muttered that they "have a point" about (blaspheming) "islamic" fundamentalists.

What remains is almost uniformly disgusting and yes, often very dim.

Dim people: Not a problem

Dim bigots: Problem

Intelligent bigots: An arguably bigger problem, but the fundamental paranoia and double standards tend to remain equally dim.

Intelligence is founded on the ability to appropriately discriminate from information received.

Bigotry is founded on inappropriate discrimination.

In such sense it could be said that there is no such thing as a truly intelligent bigot.

In any case, no amount of derision is more than they deserve for their lies, hatred and violence.
 
Citizen66

It's like those wartime songs. Hitler has only got one ball. That won us the war against the far right that did. And nobody was ever on the far right in England ever again.
Clearly no one would suggest that humour (or attempts at it one happens not to find it funny) wins wars, though it can be very effective politically and is a useful tool for doing so.
PG Wodehouse was pretty tory overall I expect, but his depiction of "Spode" will have been pretty useful in ridiculing fascism to a certain demographic of reader.

There are stacks of examples, humour is famous for it's part in politics. I struggle to even see why you are being so sarcastic about it.
 
butchersapron said:
Because it's shit. Really shit.
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you know, I do not think its shit. I've had a look and it reminds me of the way EDL types have posted, not them all, but certainly a significant number. Taffboys thoughtfull comments are appropriate. I will say that the length of the post is the only thing that gives it away perhaps, it seems to be longer than I can remember far right idiots are capable of.
 
butchersapron said:
Because it's shit. Really shit.
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You not liking it is fine Butchers, and I am as ever open to your guidance on how exactly to improve as a human being. Most appropriate would be a link to your materiel.

But you have made no specific critique beyond that, such critique as has been made I have answered at least adequately. It does speak to the politics, it is no more incorrect in terms of literacy than those it takes the piss out of, though in different ways at different times.
 
The Black Hand said:
you know, I do not think its shit. I've had a look and it reminds me of the way EDL types have posted, not them all, but certainly a significant number. Taffboys thoughtfull comments are appropriate. I will say that the length of the post is the only thing that gives it away perhaps, it seems to be longer than I can remember far right idiots are capable of.
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What interests me is that the more people are routinely familiar with trawling through EDL bilge, the more they like the blog at least when they realise it is a spoof.

Perhaps it is the in-jokes, but I think they also recognise some of the specific themes in the paranoia and warped logic that could escape more casual readers.
 
taffboy gwyrdd said:
What interests me is that the more people are routinely familiar with trawling through EDL bilge.
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I find that neither interesting nor surprising, par for the course really. Its not your exaggerating bad spelling and grammar that makes it shit. its the fact that you are taking the piss out of illiteracy that makes it shit and no amount of waffle and wank justifications will ever change that. That you continue to misunderstand this, or claim to, makes you either dishonest or a moron.
 
SpineyNorman said:
I find that neither interesting nor surprising, par for the course really. Its not your exaggerating bad spelling and grammar that makes it shit. its the fact that you are taking the piss out of illiteracy that makes it shit and no amount of waffle and wank justifications will ever change that. That you continue to misunderstand this, or claim to, makes you either dishonest or a moron.
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I do not accept this critique. The aim you are trying to give taffboy is neither the stated aim, or the hidden aim, its one that you wish is true or want to argue for whatever reason. I DO think the article is satire, but whether some people are intelligent enough to get it is an entirely different question. You have to assume its written for a capable audience, and one that is more genorous than your over the top negative critique (same as Butchers ad nauseum), on its own terms and not yours. There are many other and more worthy targets that deserve critique than Taffboys effort. In short, do try to be more selective, and appreciate what is being attempted.
 
malatesta32 said:
i dont think anyone from liverpool post on here to clarify do they?
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I don't really know much about the The James Larkin Society, other than they have had a rally and march for a number of years now and it has been made up of individuals from a fairly wide cross-section of republican and left organisations. After events in the city in February at an Irish community parade (widely discussed on here if i remember correctly) and other activity by far-right groups in the city, a call has gone out for a big turn up. Indeed, in the last couple of days threats have been made by the usual suspects in their many splinter groups that they are coming to Liverpool to disrupt this march as it is the "IRA"

I'll double check this forum - and if someone hasn't already, I'll post the call out for the 21st as a separate thread.
 
disco_dave_2000 said:
I don't really know much about the The James Larkin Society, other than they have had a rally and march for a number of years now and it has been made up of individuals from a fairly wide cross-section of republican and left organisations. After events in the city in February at an Irish community parade (widely discussed on here if i remember correctly) and other activity by far-right groups in the city, a call has gone out for a big turn up. Indeed, in the last couple of days threats have been made by the usual suspects in their many splinter groups that they are coming to Liverpool to disrupt this march as it is the "IRA"

I'll double check this forum - and if someone hasn't already, I'll post the call out for the 21st as a separate thread.
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brilliant, thanks for the heads up. the fash are hopelessly splintered but they will unite for anything vaguely irish republican. february was bad but in my experience most antifash do's since have been well attended as it was a bit of a wake up call and the fash havent mobilised much since - resorting to usual infighting etc. liverpool are under a wee bit of pressure it seems - dont know anyone there! - and a few punters were attacked after an antifascist gig at the weekend. nothing serious though and more down to inadequate stewarding and letting people leave on their own. hopefully a good turnout from antifash and republicans will materialise next week. i'll contact LiverAF for comments the now. others on here will know more about the different irish orgs - demu, joe, liamO - than me.
 
malatesta32 said:
brilliant, thanks for the heads up. the fash are hopelessly splintered but they will unite for anything vaguely irish republican. february was bad but in my experience most antifash do's since have been well attended as it was a bit of a wake up call and the fash havent mobilised much since - resorting to usual infighting etc. liverpool are under a wee bit of pressure it seems - dont know anyone there! - and a few punters were attacked after an antifascist gig at the weekend. nothing serious though and more down to inadequate stewarding and letting people leave on their own. hopefully a good turnout from antifash and republicans will materialise next week. i'll contact LiverAF for comments the now. others on here will know more about the different irish orgs - demu, joe, liamO - than me.
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Didnt something happen at last Fridays benefit in Liverpool??
 
Hi all
Just created an account on here following an email from Malatesta re the issues over the last few pages of this thread.

One, I noticed was issues with re content of the blog, and someone referring to it as a "piece of shit". We have many contributors to the blog, and there is a mixture of news re-posts and original articles. Not everyone is going to like or agree with everything we post, fine, but it would be strange if they did. Yes we get plenty of criticism, but we had close to 50,000 hits in June, so presumably someone is interested.

Two, yes PD has dropped out of LiverAF and other activism, for a variety of reasons.

Three, NO, we have not been 'taken over' by Irish Republicans. Yes, we have Irish Republican members, and yes we are prepared to work with the wider Irish Republican movement on anti-fascism. Irish Republican involvement came directly after events in February. Four days after the march/fascist victory in Liverpool, the Fash stated that they intended on attacking an Occupy GA. We had upwards of thirty people from the Irish community come down to the meeting site and help with security. The Fash made a quick getaway. The relationship with the Irish Republicans started there really.

Five, yes, last Friday there were assaults on people who attended a LiverAF fundraising gig. The attacks took place whilst people were on their way to the gig, rather than coming home. The fascists (20 NWI/NF) had been touring the town centre and pubs in the hours leading up to the gig, looking for people, and they managed to spot a few. The local Fash (which includes a sizeable contingent from Wigan) are absolutely obsessed with LiverAF, and specific individuals. They have launched something called 'operation Uncle Joe', and the attack on the gig goers is the first stage of the operation (apparently). 'Uncle Joe' refers to Joe Stalin, because of course, we are all rabid stalinists.

Six, The James Larkin march. LiverAF have had nothing to do with the organising of the march, but as it has an anti-fascist theme this year, we have been invited, and will be attending. Predictably, the fash have immediately decided that this is an IRA march. Anything that is remotely 'Irish' is deemed as IRA. Irish bars, are referred to as IRA bars. We have an Irish anarchist in LiverAF, and whenever he speaks at demos, the abuse he gets it unbelievable. The march was organised by the James Larkin Society, the local TUC, and UAF. The fash are mobilising nationally for this. They will get less people than the Feb march because that was commemorating an IRA volunteer (if my memory serves me correctly) this is not, and is an anti-fascist march and rally. I still expect them to get at least 200 people into Liverpool. I am not well up on Irish/sectarian issues, but it seems like there is a massive orange lodge presence in Liverpool, who will also decide it is an IRA march, and turn up. As an aperitif, the is a orangeman march through Liverpool on thursday this week, and I know that the Irish Republicans are planning on making a disruptive appearance, which will add extra spice for the 21st. The fash are determined to stop the march, and are planning to occupy the start off point hours before we meet, so that plans have to be changed. The organisers of the march are DETERMINED that the march will not be stopped or re-routed this time.
 
LiverAF said:
Hi all
Just created an account on here following an email from Malatesta re the issues over the last few pages of this thread.

One, I noticed was issues with re content of the blog, and someone referring to it as a "piece of shit". We have many contributors to the blog, and there is a mixture of news re-posts and original articles. Not everyone is going to like or agree with everything we post, fine, but it would be strange if they did. Yes we get plenty of criticism, but we had close to 50,000 hits in June, so presumably someone is interested.
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It's this that's being called shit, nothing whatsoever to do with/about liveraf.
 
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