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steps and butchers, how do you think the recent attacks on TU, uncut, left stalls etc should be dealt with? the far right are clearly upping the ante and becoming a wee bit more confident. what do you guys think is the appropriate response to brighton, newcastle etc? just interested in light of some posting here. also gardening? would an appropriate collective name for gardeners be 'dimmocks?'
 
agreed but some of the posters on here have said that militant AF is untimely. personally a broad front of people doing what they think is appropriate is the most organic and effective way of dealing with this stuff, being UAF non-physical protest, negative media, TU/community organisation and militiancy for those up for it.
 
steps and butchers, how do you think the recent attacks on TU, uncut, left stalls etc should be dealt with? the far right are clearly upping the ante and becoming a wee bit more confident. what do you guys think is the appropriate response to brighton, newcastle etc? just interested in light of some posting here. also gardening? would an appropriate collective name for gardeners be 'dimmocks?'
There hasn't been a wave of attacks has there? There's been a few isolated incidents with the NF simultaneously trying to re-make their mark by a physical presence at a few things. That's it. What's required is people doing the stalls to understand what they're doing and to organise what responses they have the potential to take (quick or slow and with the knowledge that uncut are not going to have the same range as TUs etc) with their members - nothing special. Unless you want every stall in the country having people ready to go? Not feasible and not welcome. First thing to do - stop panicking.

Incidentally, griffin was back on the attack against EDL zionists earlier. Sounds like he's been rebuffed.
 
butchers, no wave but an increase in attacks which can develop into a wave. they grow in confidence from soft 'victories' (the lewisham debacle) and thus grow in numbers. AFA was succesful because it both outnumbered and err, 'outmanouevred' the fash. although the fash are currently fragmented (as ever) and have been humiliated in places (liverpool, brighton etc) the newcastle thing caught the left on the hop and antifascist groups need to be aware of any possible situation. they are more active than they have been for a long time. re: BNP, even EDL realise that Griffin is knackered. mind you, the EDL fluffy British Freedom has hardly rocked the world!
 
butchers, no wave but an increase in attacks which can develop into a wave. they grow in confidence from soft 'victories' (the lewisham debacle) and thus grow in numbers. AFA was succesful because it both outnumbered and err, 'outmanouevred' the fash. although the fash are currently fragmented (as ever) and have been humiliated in places (liverpool, brighton etc) the newcastle thing caught the left on the hop and antifascist groups need to be aware of any possible situation. they are more active than they have been for a long time. re: BNP, even EDL realise that Griffin is knackered. mind you, the EDL fluffy British Freedom has hardly rocked the world!

In risk areas protect the stalls etc build a network of support, show some savvy and vigilance.There isn't a national pattern ;Lewisham was random, Newcastle local.

Waiting for the wave , waiting for the fascists to return to the streets simply shows that anti fascism simply needs to break out of the anti fascist ghetto.Even when these small groups of fascists are doing what the antifa types think that facsists should be doing lifeless anti fascism is found wanting.

Wishing for AFA type revivals simply hasn't any answer to 21st century fascism.

How about you?
 
Its kind of hard to get work up much steam about facists.
When that lot that turned up in brighton spent the day running from the police the anti facists and trying to get served in pubs.
 
Well it has all gone a bit sour bollocks between Tommy and Stabby Marsh, handbags at dawn. Considering most Casuals consider themselves EDL I am wondering how this drama will play out

http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/late...-erupts-after-edl-for-casuals-brighton-fiasco
they just cant agree with each other fingers. too many egos and 'backstabbing' in various divisions. part of this is because very very few of them come from an organised political background - unlike antifascists who are involved in other areas of political struggle - and do not understand political efficacy. its not about individuals its about the ideological struggle etc. that and they are just a big bunch of silly billies. ooh, have i gone too far there?
 
In risk areas protect the stalls etc build a network of support, show some savvy and vigilance.There isn't a national pattern ;Lewisham was random, Newcastle local.

Waiting for the wave , waiting for the fascists to return to the streets simply shows that anti fascism simply needs to break out of the anti fascist ghetto.Even when these small groups of fascists are doing what the antifa types think that facsists should be doing lifeless anti fascism is found wanting.

Wishing for AFA type revivals simply hasn't any answer to 21st century fascism.

How about you?
hey steps! agree with 1st point totallt. the attacks were not so random as much as a development of opportunistic attacks on soft targets. im not sure about where you are, but here antifascists are all involved in uncut, TU stuff, swp etc as part of a wider struggle. i certainly do not think that an AFA #3 shd be revived but antifascists should react in a way they see fit locally. just wanted your opinion feller!
 
Its kind of hard to get work up much steam about facists.
When that lot that turned up in brighton spent the day running from the police the anti facists and trying to get served in pubs.

ha ha! yes it must be very wearing for them not being served all day! i think antifascists need to recognise the soccer mentality of this current lot - taking liberties in anti fascists 'manors' like brighton or liverpool is a victory for them as is getting on the telly. localised resistance prevents them from growing in confidence and i dunno about you, but i resent fascists marching unopposed thru town no matter how many they are. i am not infalting the threat here but advocating a nip it in the bud response determined by local feeling and responding in a way they see fit. jings, thats awfy liberal!
 
Not even sure the edl count as facists i know politics isn't a big thing on the far right but even compared to the bnp they appear stupid.
Its yobs looking for a ruck they managed to lose a sort of political arguement on arrse which has got to be some sort of record ffs:(
Wouldn't want to meet these wankers after they have had their pint of german lager.
Their not political there a nasty bunch of yobs.
 
EDL are not fascist but vary in degree of nationalism. the more overt fascists have defected to the infidels and are hooking up with the NF - who are 14 words enthusiasts, ie, we must ensure national front election deposits are never returned after our futile attempts.
the majority of them are clueless politically and treat these events like a soccer match and do it for what i recall hooligans call 'the buzz.' though where im from the buzz is whit ye get intae toon!
 
put this in the rochdale thread ...
rochdale demo tomorrow with the edl which the casuals are claiming to support despite the huge fallouts with mr tommy this week (and despite all the denials, recriminations flew!)
http://www.edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/762-marsh-steps-up-war-of-words-with-edl
and on the same day the BNP in blackpool on the charlene downes thing having basically taken it over and booted out the casuals much to stabber marsh's chagrin. mrs downes has been courted by griffin who is happy to capitalise on it all! as ever great timing.
 
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hey steps! agree with 1st point totallt. the attacks were not so random as much as a development of opportunistic attacks on soft targets. im not sure about where you are, but here antifascists are all involved in uncut, TU stuff, swp etc as part of a wider struggle. i certainly do not think that an AFA #3 shd be revived but antifascists should react in a way they see fit locally. just wanted your opinion feller!

I am in and around Manchester , where are you?
 
from collins. an unusual juxtaposition:
'There are only 35 BNP at teir demo in Blackpool and are looking quite miserable as the Gay Pride march goes by, giving them the "bird" as it were.'
 
https://twitter.com/#!/DanJudeFHM < So apparently this scumbag FHM journo is "embedded" with the EDL as part of a feature they're writing on them. Apparently he's going to be fair and balanced.

Rumours that 2 asian people and some photographers have been assaulted, denied by police. 7 people arrested so far.
 
casuals united desperately attempting to downplay split on casuals united [sic!]. they reckon 60 at blackpool, collins say 35. another flop.
 
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